§1. TQM: buzzwords or content? [00:04]
Last time we were finishing up on what is TQM, and there was one student's point of view. A lot of other people think it's just a bunch of buzzwords. But some people — anybody know who Larry Bossidy is? He was the CEO of Honeywell, a very well-known CEO of a forty billion dollar company. He mentioned to Jack Welch what TQM was, and Jack Welch adopted it for General Electric in 1995. Ray Stata in 1989 — there was the book American TQM — started the Center for Quality Management in the Boston area. He's one of the larger donors to MIT, the Stata Center, the ugly building by Frank Gehry.
Anybody know the inspiration of the Stata Center? This is an aside, but I got it directly from the MIT chief architect the day after she had met with Frank Gehry, when they were designing the building. She was in his conference room in Los Angeles waiting for him. He comes in, he starts crumpling up paper and throwing it on the table, and he has this pile of crumpled paper. He says, "That's what your building is gonna look like." And it does. It looks like a pile of junk. Okay, sorry, we all have our opinions of it.
But anyway — is TQM the renaming of hundred-year-old concepts? A lot of the management concepts in TQM have been around since people like Henry Ford and Sakichi Toyoda. Is it worthwhile? Some parts of it certainly are. Is it none of the above, or all of the above? It's really all of the above. That's one of the reasons I wanted to teach this module — to straighten it out, that it does have a number of good qualities. Bossidy and Welch and Stata are not ignorant men, and they thought it had value. TQM does have some content, as opposed to some other people who talk all the time and the whole world listens to them, but there's often no content to what they say.
§2. What quality means, and the cost of conformance [03:03]
So let's take today and talk about the methods of TQM. There's a book that is in its seventh edition, so it's been around for a while. It's used by people at MIT who teach statistics out of the math department, primarily to people in the Sloan School. D.C. Montgomery, Introduction to Statistical Quality Control. I'll pass this around. Montgomery has made a fortune writing books that are fairly mathematical — it helps to be an MIT student to understand this book, okay. There is some content and substance to the science behind statistical quality control, and I'm not going to try to teach a course on it. I'm not a statistician. There are courses at MIT on this.
He talks in the beginning about what quality is. Traditionally, quality meant fitness for use or fitness to a standard. That's basically what Montgomery says in Chapter One. But quality is inversely proportional to variability. That's a modern definition of quality from a statistical point of view: you want to reduce the variability in your manufacturing process. He talks about some of the metrics: performance, reliability, durability, serviceability — these are three of the "ilities" — aesthetics, features, perceived quality, conformance to standards.
Conformance to standards was one of the old metrics. As long as it met the standard — if General Motors had a standard, and you're producing product for General Motors, as long as you met GM's standards, they would have no problem with what you're supplying. If you didn't, they would threaten to sue you.
Here's another story. I had to give a talk in Columbus, Ohio, to a professional society in the mid-1990s. The head of this professional society ran a manufacturing plant that supplied GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda — all these manufacturing assembly lines in Ohio. I don't remember what he was supplying, but he made automotive products. He was late to the dinner, so we started without him. He missed the rubber chicken; he got there in time for dessert. He apologized and said he had gotten a call at eleven o'clock that morning. I think it was Honda — they wanted him at Marysville, Ohio, by one o'clock, because they had a problem with the parts he was supplying. It's two hours away, so they meant leave right now and come see us at one. And he did, because they were a major customer.
He was late getting back for dinner because he spent the afternoon on this emergency call from Honda. I said, "Do you find the Japanese very demanding?" He says, "Oh, they're extremely demanding, but I'd much rather work for them than work for General Motors, Ford or Chrysler." Remember, the time period is 1990s. I said, "Why is that?" He says, "When they have a problem, they may demand my immediate attention, but when I go there, they're trying to work with me to help solve the problem. If General Motors or Ford has a problem, they will call me up and say, 'Fix it immediately or we're going to sue you.'" It's a completely different attitude. This is Douglas McGregor's The Human Side of Enterprise — Theory X, where people are sitting there saying "Fix it or we're gonna sue you," versus Theory Y, where people work together and solve their common problem. The Japanese actually taught the United States in the 1990s that you don't treat people like dirt — you try to treat them with respect.
§3. Voice of the customer: washing machines and donuts [08:15]
The reason I have this picture of a washing machine here is, in the New American TQM, Professor Shiba tells the story: after World War Two there was a company that made washing machines — the old-style washing machines in the 1950s that had wringers. They were doing fine in the urban areas, but they kept having breakdowns in the rural areas. So they said, we want to find out what's going on in the rural areas and why the washing machines aren't working in the country. They sent someone out, and they found the problem: the farmers were washing potatoes rather than clothes. The machines were not designed for a load of potatoes. So this is where people got the idea of listening to the voice of the customer. The farmers were just sending things back saying, "Your washing machine broke down after one season." They didn't say it was potatoes. You actually had to go out and talk to people about it.
I met a guy from Detroit, and he said there was one Japanese person — not a salesperson, but from one of the Japanese automotive companies. The first question in the conversation, after the pleasantries, was, "What kind of car do you drive? What do you like about it?" This was his way of trying to find out what the customer wants, rather than "Will you buy my product?" That's not all that different from the story I told you about telling the LFM student to buy donuts and go out and ask the people on the factory floor what they need help with. Some of the things were way beyond her capability of solving, but some were not. If you just start chipping away at the little things, you'll find that other people will help with the bigger things.
§4. Shewhart charts and statistical process control [10:34]
Back in the early 1920s, Dr. Shewhart was a statistician at AT&T Bell Labs — it was just Bell Telephone back then. He came up with what some people call the Shewhart chart, some people call the control chart or run chart. If you've ever worked in manufacturing, these are all over the factory floors of companies trying to use statistical process control. It's not a terribly complicated chart. You're measuring some metric, and you know it has a lower control limit and an upper control limit. Your specification, your standard, says you must be between the two dashed lines. Your average is going to be right on the blue line, and you actually make a measurement — it might be one out of a hundred parts, it may be every part, depends on what you're producing. You plot it over time, and you see when you're going out of control or heading out of control.
There are all kinds of programs nowadays that use Shewhart charts and all kinds of statistics. You don't have to worry about these numbers — I just pulled something off the internet. They plot the Gaussian distribution. Here's the range, and this is the average. People have taken the simple concept of a Shewhart chart and added all kinds of mathematics and statistics.
How useful is it in production? When the LFM program started, there were nineteen professors at MIT, and they gave us term chairs — I was a Leaders for Manufacturing professor. They said you're going to interact with Motorola. I went to Motorola, I met with the CEO briefly. He was an MIT grad — that's one of the reasons MIT had joined the program. I was from out of town, more than fifty miles away, I was there to help. In my prior life as a consultant, I would always go to one factory of a company because they had a problem. Now I got to visit multiple Motorola facilities, and I got to see the differences. I had seen that in the two years I worked for Bethlehem Steel — different facilities, different plant managers, different philosophies. That attitude from the top permeated down. Some were Theory X managers, some were Theory Y, and you could very quickly tell.
I would go through one Motorola facility and see a Shewhart chart pasted right on the production floor. I'd ask, "What's this?" The person says, "Oh, that's something management makes us plot." I said, "Well, what do you do with these?" "They're nothing, it's not worth anything." That was his attitude. And in fact, the attitude was the fact, because he didn't know how to use it, he didn't understand it, he did it because he was told. I'd go to another Motorola facility, ask the same question, and the guy would start explaining it to me in detail. I said, "Is it useful?" He says, "Oh yes, it tells me how" — he's using it. So just saying you're going to do something is not the same as actually getting it done.
§5. Lies, damned lies, and made-up numbers [15:24]
Now, statistics. There's a famous quote — I did research on this this morning, I've been using it for years, and people attribute it to Mark Twain. I even have a book that says this was a Benjamin Disraeli quote attributed to Mark Twain: "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Who was Benjamin Disraeli? He was the Prime Minister of Britain under Queen Victoria. He was Jewish, and it was very unusual for a Jewish person to rise to that level in 19th century Britain, but he was apparently a very effective Prime Minister. It turns out, if you go to Wikipedia, no one has any record of Disraeli having written this. When Mark Twain first used it, he attributed it to Disraeli. He may have talked to Disraeli, and Disraeli may have said it in conversation, so it's not clear. The punchline is, nine out of ten people say that was Mark Twain. I actually had a book once, and someone quoted it, and I said, "You know who said that?" They said Mark Twain. I went to the shelf and pulled off my book — it says often attributed to Mark Twain but actually Benjamin Disraeli.
And then here's Dilbert dealing with statistics. "I don't have any accurate numbers, so I just made up this one. Studies have shown that accurate numbers aren't any more useful than the ones you make up." "How many studies showed that?" "Eighty-seven." You can ask whether the eighty-seven was made up or not. I think I told you my stories of numbers that I didn't exactly make up, but I estimated, and later I found that the Bureau of Labor Statistics was using my number because no one else knew how the number came about. It helps to be quantitative, but it's nice to know where the numbers come from.
§6. Six Sigma and the meaning of 3.4 defects per million [18:02]
Any questions on statistical process control? There's another term which is actually part of statistical process control, all through Montgomery's book, called Six Sigma. Six Sigma was invented by Bill Smith at Motorola in 1986. It's a method for process improvement by reducing process variation. Remember, Montgomery says quality is the inverse of variability. So there's the variability word again. Jack Welch adopted it in 1995 for General Electric across the board. It seeks to get to Six Sigma, which is 3.4 defects per million. People just say, well, it's the tail of the Gaussian distribution — but if you think very hard about that, or look at the error function and try to see where 3.4 comes from, it's not so clear. It's not just the tail.
If you have a Gaussian distribution of your Shewhart-type measurements on the control chart, and you presume you're within plus-or-minus Six Sigma, you can have a long-term variability where the whole Gaussian is shifted one and a half Sigma up or down. So you can talk about a short-term Six Sigma — Sigma being just the width of the Gaussian — or a long-term where you actually look at a long-term variation. By making a bunch of assumptions, you can come up with the 3.4 parts per million. It's not exactly a simple thing. There could be short-term and long-term Six Sigmas.
This is a chart in Wikipedia — Sigma level one, two, three, four, five, six, seven Sigma, with one and a half Sigma shift, that's the shift of the Gaussian in the long term versus short term. Defects per million opportunities. One Sigma is sixty-nine percent defects, yield is thirty-one percent. If you get down to Six Sigma, it works out to 3.4 parts per million, or 99.9996 percent good parts. Everyone would love to be there.
CPK — that's another term they throw around in industry. How many people have heard of CPK before? Yes, you have. Process capability. If I have a nice Gaussian well within my control limits — a narrow Gaussian well within the control limits — that's a good CPK. A CPK of two means Six Sigma. A CPK of one is three Sigma, which is like seven percent defects. People don't always talk about being at such-and-such a Sigma unless they like the Six Sigma term. More often, people use CPK, process capability.
I remember when I became department head in 1995. The first faculty meeting, I was talking about how we needed to broaden the materials department and worry about manufacturing rather than just materials science. I was on the engineering side, and all the powerful people were materials scientists — the wannabe scientists who couldn't hack it in the school of science, but they were trying to be scientists in the school of engineering. I said, "How many people here know what a CPK is?" Because Professor Clark was not there at that meeting, no one raised their hand. If Joel Clark had been there, he would have known, because he works with people over at Sloan. But this was the technology that the CEOs of the top companies were adopting. That's why they had the TQM challenge — the universities were still about twenty or thirty years behind where industry was. The Japanese were using this stuff back in the 1970s. In the 1980s they were killing us in the marketplace with quality, and American industry was just starting to learn from the Japanese, using statistical process control.
§7. Bethlehem Steel and the quality lesson [24:02]
There are a number of gurus of total quality management. W. Edwards Deming, who won the National Medal of Technology for what he taught the Japanese, actually learned it originally under the U.S. Navy and some of the SUBSAFE programs. He was a professor at one of the New York City colleges. No one would listen to him in this country about quality.
I'll tell you this. My lesson on quality, when I worked for Bethlehem Steel — I don't even remember what it was, but I had come up with some process change they could do in the mill that would improve the quality at essentially no cost. I proposed this to my boss, who was an MIT PhD. He said, "Why do we want to do this?" I said, "We make better quality product." Remember, this was 1975. I had to spend a couple of days lobbying him on why we would want to make better product, even if it cost us nothing. Why should we ask for a change? He finally, sheepishly, went up to his boss, who was a PhD from Lehigh University, and got me an audience with the second-level-up boss. I went in saying, "Look, this will cost us nothing, we can make better quality." He says, "We don't want to do that." I said, "Why don't you want to make better quality?" He says, "Won't help us sell more steel." That was the attitude. Everything was how many tons of steel you poured.
At Bethlehem Steel in the 1930s, in the middle of the Depression, the head guy was Eugene Grace, and six of the ten top-paid managers in the country in the 1930s worked for Bethlehem Steel. That was in part because Eugene Grace had a deal where he and his top management got paid a bonus for the number of tons of steel poured or cast, not the number of tons shipped or the profit. So they had the wrong metric. This was 1975, thirty-five years later, and that same attitude of "it's how much you pour that's important, not how much money you make" — that's why some companies are now bankrupt, Bethlehem being one of them.
It's also one of the reasons — after I was there for thirteen months, I asked myself, and this is a question you should ask yourself about once a year or once every two years, where do you want to be in five years? The one clear answer after thirteen months at Bethlehem Steel was, not at Bethlehem Steel. I'd rather be anywhere than Bethlehem Steel. So I started looking for a job, I called up some old professors, and a couple of them asked if I had ever thought of being a faculty member. I said, "Oh no, I wouldn't want to take that job, who wants to be an assistant professor and get dumped on?" Anyway, that's another story. I came back here, they convinced me.
I often tell students that I've had to reinvent myself every three years. If you ask yourself where you want to be five years from now, that is a moving target through your career. I had a reputation as the guy who could do anything in the laboratory as an undergraduate. What that meant is I could clean the ink out of the strip chart recorder pens — they weren't inkjet printers back then, but little tubes that distribute the ink. The graduate students never cleaned them, and there were only two of these strip chart recorders in the lab with twelve graduate students. They'd always send me to get one, and they were always clogged. All you had to do was take a little wire and clean out the dried ink, and everybody thought I was wonderful.
When I became an assistant professor, I knew the last thing I wanted to do was spend my time cleaning ink out of pens. I had to stay at my desk, I had to write proposals — different job, different set of responsibilities. I could explain to my graduate students or undergraduates how to clean the pens — that wasn't the problem. I've had to advise assistant professors for years on what they should be doing and what they shouldn't be doing. What you were doing as a graduate student that you were very good at is not what you should be doing when you take your first job, necessarily. You have to say what carries over and what doesn't.
§8. Six Sigma's limits, and the Hubble fix [29:19]
One of the things I learned after five years working with Motorola and other companies was, if you were at three Sigma, you couldn't apply statistical process control because you were just too far out of spec. At three Sigma, I'm producing seven percent defects, and there are multiple reasons. When you've got that many problems, there are multiple reasons. Trying to apply statistics, which tends to home in on one, is going to give you lousy statistics because you've got too many variables. So you've got to fix your process if you're at three Sigma or below. Between three Sigma and five Sigma, SPC works no problem.
But many companies would use SPC and get to five Sigma and have this goal to get to Six Sigma, and they really couldn't do it. The reason was, at Six Sigma there's not enough defects to give me good statistics. Now we're talking about something that's not a systemic defect — it's some isolated thing, someone dropped their coffee into the machine. You produce ten bad parts, and you get some problem. You also have to recognize that Six Sigma is just an idealized goal.
If you're trying to make bricks for a barn or a house, four Sigma may be okay. I started saying this back in the '90s when they had the problem with the Hubble telescope. Anybody know what happened with the Hubble telescope? Two-billion-dollar device to look at stars and probe back into the earliest ages of the universe, and they screwed up when they ground the mirror. It wasn't as nice and parabolic as it should be. The problem is, if you're making Hubble telescopes, it's not easy to go fix it when it's up there. You really needed process controls that were much better than even Six Sigma.
It turns out they got out of the problem. Anybody know how? MIT Lincoln Lab had been working for years to improve surveillance — satellites and aircraft taking pictures of things in Cuba and around the world. They were always trying to get better resolution. They would shoot a laser beam through the atmosphere and measure the distortion of the laser beam. They would then back-calculate — this is the inverse problem, a very difficult problem — how to correct for the distortion. So when the Hubble telescope had a distortion problem, they could measure how it was wavy and where the distortion was, and they just applied the physics that Lincoln Lab had developed for their super-secret surveillance satellites. Now you could get a crystal-clear picture from the Hubble, like it was supposed to produce, even though it was defective.
There's often a way to work around the problem. That's the story of Apollo 13, where they had to come back and make their CO2 scrubber. These guys were going to die. Tom Hanks was about to die, right? Apollo 13 was the movie. The NASA engineers had to use duct tape and other things to figure out what was available on the lunar module and how they could regenerate the oxygen out of the air. There's often another way to work around it. In this case they worked around that.
At the time they did that, there were plans for other telescopes beyond Hubble. But they no longer needed them. They applied that same technology in the opposite direction, and now land-based telescopes can see as if there was no atmospheric distortion — they shoot a laser beam up, measure the distortion in the atmosphere, correct for it mathematically, and you get crystal-clear images.
Student: [question about Connecticut, partially inaudible]
It could be — I hadn't heard that story, but that sounds like the type of thing. How do you deal with how many people you're going to let into a super-secret problem? That's a policy decision above my pay grade. You can't put all the information in one person, because if that person becomes unsecured, you've got a bigger problem. So they parse it up so no one knows all the pieces of the puzzle — everyone's got one piece. But eventually someone has to integrate the puzzle. So now we have people in the White House who can do that, but none of them can get a security clearance. Anyway, I don't have an answer for that.
I remember a story from one of my first consulting cases. The CEO brought out a little turtle that had a bobblehead neck, and he put it on the table and said, "Sometimes you have to stick your neck out, you have to take a risk." You just have to decide what type of risk you're willing to take. Any other questions?
§9. Design for manufacturability and piping in submarines [36:53]
So Six Sigma. If you're at Six Sigma or above and you want to get better, you have to design a more robust process. That's the whole engineering design process — defining a problem, identifying things, brainstorming. We'll talk about some of the tools people use. The whole field of engineering design became very popular in the 1990s, and a term called design for manufacturability. If you go to Wikipedia and look at the total quality control website, they have a whole series of quality websites, one of which is design for manufacturability. There were two professors down at University of Rhode Island — I can't remember the names right now — who came up with the idea that you should design something so it's easy to assemble.
There were always problems like — was it the Chevy Vega back in the 1970s — they had people designing the engine, they had people designing the structure it went into, and they assembled the engine and then put the whole engine into the vehicle on the assembly line. But when you needed to change the spark plugs, you had to remove the engine, because someone had a little interference with the structure of the vehicle. There are big problems with that. There were people at MIT, some retired now — Chris Magee [Chryssostomidis] and Nick Patrikalakis, in mechanical engineering — who worked on developing the CAD-CAM processes that make sure you don't design two things in the same space. So there's this whole field of design for manufacturability. Reduce the number of parts, if you can.
Student: [question]
In designing a submarine or some ship, you have pipes for water and you have pipes for oil, and they may have both going through, and one crosses the other — nature doesn't work that way. It's a common problem. I had a student from what's now LGO working at one of the submarine shipyards in Britain — Vickers or somebody — they owned one of the shipyards, and she went over. She was put in the piping shop specifically for that problem. People would look at the drawing and find, this is impossible to build, what's on the drawing doesn't fit. They had various ways to measure things in the field. But this piping had to use this metal and that piping had to use that metal, and they were always out of inventory, because when they had a problem, someone would steal from inventory that had already been ordered, which might be a nine-month lead time. They'd get that problem solved, but all they did was create other problems for the future. As a result, it took them ten years to build a submarine when it should have only taken three.
I ran into it at Motorola — they have all these different components that go on a circuit board, and someone orders the right number of components. Well, how much extra stock do you need in case one of those components is bad? If you order just the right amount and one is bad, then you can't finish all your circuit boards. This was the biggest problem in making circuit boards that Motorola was finding — the inventory to build it — even though you had all kinds of people trying to make sure they had all the stock ordered with the right lead times. It's a very complex process. This is part of what they now call supply chain management.
Any other questions? Did I tell you the story about the Ford Mustangs and pushing them out? I did, okay, fine. I actually had a slide of that — the Ford Mustang plant where if the cars didn't start they had to push them out. The manager said you've got to push them rather than bring in a tow motor. And the Boynton Beach where the manager says no more rework facility, you're going to fix the problem rather than make five percent bad parts.
§10. *The Goal*, Herbie, and the Ford F-150 air conditioner [42:04]
Now I'll talk about The Goal, or the Theory of Constraints. This is one of these things that creates the title of TQM, in my opinion. Eli Goldratt was an officer in the Israeli Air Force, and he wrote this book called The Goal. Has anyone read The Goal? Yeah, what do you think of it? Yeah, I know — that's why I had to read it though, twenty-five years ago. There's better ways to spend that much time, how about that.
It's a little story. There's this guy who's trying to worry about his manufacturing plant, and he's having all kinds of problems, and he takes a bunch of Scouts on a scouting trip. There's another guy who's a consultant — I think he meets Jonah in the airport — and Jonah says you have to follow the goal. All through the book, Jonah is telling him as his advisor, you have to think of the goal. The goal of the company is to make money. It's a memorable book — I remember Herbie.
Herbie was the fat Scout in this metaphor. It's a long metaphor. He sold two and a half million copies of this thing. He's dead now, but he made a fortune. Time magazine says it's one of the five most influential business books. And he comes up with the Theory of Constraints. The problem was Herbie was always at the rear of the line — they were marching through and always had to go help Herbie. Eventually Jonah gives him some advice, and he realizes if you put Herbie as the leader in the front, then everyone else will follow behind Herbie and you'll go at the right pace, which is Herbie's pace. So you follow the Theory of Constraints — Herbie was the constraint.
I have a story about Herbie and Ford. The Theory of Constraints. This is the air conditioner for the F-150 pickup. I had a student at LFM — LGO, whatever it is — who was assigned to a plant where they had about twenty lines, each line making one type of air conditioner for one Ford product. The F-150 is the largest-selling vehicle in the world. They were selling like hotcakes in the '90s, they still sell pretty well, and they were reaching their capacity constraint on the air conditioner assembly line for the F-150. It was going to cost twenty million dollars to build a new line, and then both would be working at about fifty-two percent of capacity, which wouldn't be very efficient. How could you get more throughput? Ford was a great believer in Theory of Constraints at the time — this is mid to late '90s.
We went out there and they showed us this problem the student was going to spend seven months on. If you went into the plant manager's office, every table was empty except, on the coffee table by the couch, there was a copy of The Goal. Only thing anywhere. This guy's managing a fifty million dollar a year plant, and he's got one thing — The Goal. He lives by The Goal. This is one of the big problems of American management — they get on a kick and they think it will solve all problems. They think you do not have to think your way through a problem, you can manage your way through a problem with some heuristic. It doesn't work.
It turns out they had spent a quarter million dollars on consultants who were experts in Theory of Constraints. The consultants had told Ford to introduce a constraint into the system to get more throughput through. Does that make sense to anybody here? You're gonna constrict the pipe in order to flow more liquid through it? That's what they're saying, because Theory of Constraints teaches you this.
I told you my story about how you figure out how to solve a problem — you find the time to go ask the foreman, because he knows what the problem is. I go ask the foreman, "Where's your constraint?" He says, "It's where I put the people." I said, "What do you mean?" He says, "I've got people who work very quickly, and I've got" — there were twenty people doing hand assembly. He says, "We shift them around every day so they don't get totally bored doing the same thing five days a week. Some people work faster than others. My constraint is the people, not the machines." That made sense.
That gave the student something to think about and frame their thesis around, to try to improve the throughput. The goal in that case was not just to make air conditioner compressors — that wasn't going to make money unless you got all the vehicles out there to sell. It was a subset of the overall problem. All these high-priced consultants were basically a drain on the system.
Eli Goldratt became very popular. He came here in the early '90s, and I was invited to listen to his lecture and have lunch with him and a bunch of the other LFM professors. There was a restaurant — it used to be the faculty club on the top floor of the Sloan building, sixth floor — and we sat in this conference room. Somebody asked Eli what he was working on now. He was working on figuring out how to manage governments, like the U.S. federal government. He was going to find the constraint and manage that. Now, the federal government is a trillion dollar operation — is there only one constraint in the federal government? That was his assumption. He was gonna find that constraint. That makes life easy, right? So Eli Goldratt was a paragon of simplicity and irrelevance.
It's not as if I — I don't think he's a wonderful person, he made a lot of money. Tomorrow we'll talk about the awards you can get by being a certified Jonah, or a Six Sigma Black Belt, and other buzzwords, and how there's a whole group of consultants who have grown up around these buzzwords. Which is why some people think — okay, thanks, see you tomorrow.