§1. Course logistics and the videotaped lecture experiment [00:00]
I was part of a committee with some professors at the Sloan School to look at distance education, and John Little called it the Do Something Committee — we were actually going to do something rather than just be a committee. It turns out General Motors wanted my welding course, so we decided to let General Motors pay the tuition for twenty students. The Institute said okay, we'll take that money and we'll videotape it. I learned that semester it's really good to videotape your class, because if students miss class — even the students on campus — they can watch the movie.
Although I think I've only done this once or twice in the last twenty-five years, I can show a movie when I'm not here, which I did yesterday. There are some complications this semester. Dr. Belmar was supposed to lecture today. I was supposed to get back from Atlanta and actually get some sleep — I slept for an hour and forty-five minutes this morning because the plane was late. He was going to lecture but he had a problem, so he'll be lecturing tomorrow, and I'll be lecturing on Monday. I cannot lecture on Tuesday because I have jury duty. Who knows if they'll select me — probably not. They don't like people who have testified in court on a regular basis. They know too much about what the attorneys ask. So I don't expect I'll be selected, but I'm blocking out next week in case.
So we have to be a little bit fluid. We meet every day and we finish up early. I expect we'll finish up first or second week in October, and student presentations will start sometime towards the end of October and be over by early November. I've found that students actually do like it when I force them to front-load this class. Once we get off Daylight Savings Time, students don't want to come in when it's dark. Plus the term wears on, plus it's nice to have one less course as all your other courses are gearing up at the end. Students have actually said that in evaluations. So I front-load it. There's nothing you have to read.
I've put a bunch of things on Stellar. I'm starting my forty-first year on the faculty this summer. A few years ago I started a book that I hope to finish and title 50 Years at MIT, because I started at MIT as a freshman forty-eight years ago. This is something called Surviving at MIT: Lessons Learned that I put together a couple years ago, and several students have enjoyed that.
§2. Science vs. engineering, and the Bell Labs transistor story [03:22]
I sometimes use this class to try to figure out what the difference is between a scientist and an engineer. There are three pages here of definitions, and my favorite is one of mine: science seeks to increase human knowledge; engineering seeks to improve the human condition. It's an attitude thing. Scientists feel like the world owes them a living and should provide them support to study anything they want, because knowledge is wonderful — even if it's about something that happened 13 billion years ago, like the Big Bang. Maybe it has value, you know. And people say, well, science is what spins off new technology. That's bull.
Do you know why the transistor was developed? It wasn't basic research at Bell Labs. Anybody know why Bell Labs was looking for an electronic switch in 1925? There's a book called The Idea Factory — actually there are two books with that title. One's about MIT, written by a mechanical engineering graduate student about his experience here. The other is about Bell Labs. It talks about how the Bell System became a publicly regulated monopoly around 1908. That meant they would get six percent profit on whatever they spent. So one of the things they could do is research, and they'd get six percent profit guaranteed. It just goes into the rate base.
Everybody thinks, oh, wasn't it wonderful for AT&T to have so much foresight. It had nothing to do with that. It had to do with the fact they would make six percent profit. The more money they spent, the more profit they would get. It used to be called a blue chip in the old days, because you knew your dividends would pay back about six percent. It was like a government bond, because it was regulated and everybody had a telephone.
A lot of what we know about statistical process control was developed at Bell Labs in 1925. They wrote the book originally on statistical process control and statistics and manufacturing, because they had to make telephones. And they were looking ahead, because they could afford all these people to look ahead at six percent profit. They asked, what's the growth of the phone business? They had switchboard operators — people sitting there moving plugs around. Those are all mechanical switches. They looked at the failure rates. There's something called the AT&T Reliability Handbook, and it has all the statistics for failure of mechanical switches and bearings and motors and electrical switches.
They were collecting this data, and they looked at how many telephone calls were being made each year, and they could project into the future. They realized that if they didn't come up with something other than a mechanical switch — which had a failure rate of about one in every 10,000 hours — they would have so many billions of switches that the whole phone system would come crashing to a halt because of the failures. At that failure rate, you can just do the math. So they needed a more reliable switch. They were not doing basic research on the transistor. They were looking for an electronic switch that would be several orders of magnitude more reliable. Mechanical switches have friction and wear, and they fall apart after a while. They knew the whole system several decades hence was not going to work unless they could come up with a better switch. It was applied research, not basic research.
Whenever you read these stories — oh, Bell Labs was so forward-looking, why don't we have Bell Labs anymore, why doesn't industry pay for basic research? They weren't paying for basic research. They were spending money because they got six percent profit. And they were doing applied research on some very important things, and they were looking out forty and fifty years. Whereas most industry only looks out — how many years does industry look out?
Student: [inaudible — suggests "five months"]
You're right, they use five months actually in some cases. People say the next quarter. In terms of what they consider research, five years is probably a good number. I wrote an article called "Bringing New Materials to Market," and I pointed out, no one ever has more than about twenty years looking forward. Because if you spend a dollar on research today, you have to return twenty dollars at eight percent interest in twenty years, which is a small internal rate of return. If you go out further than that, you'd have to return a hundred dollars for every dollar invested today. For that reason, we've had twenty years of oil reserves for the last hundred years. They go out and look for oil until they've got twenty years' worth, and no one searches for oil anymore. The exploration goes down, because you can't afford to invest the money now for something you're not going to get the payback on until more than twenty years out.
Student: [inaudible question, apparently about basic research]
I'm not saying basic research doesn't lead to innovation. But in my career, if I actually go and see why a company was doing something — Bell Labs is the example people give: oh, how much foresight did their managers have, because they were doing basic research. I'm saying that's bull. They were not doing basic research. They knew they had a train wreck coming, and they were doing applied research to solve it. It turned out to be pretty good basic research, but they had an applied problem they had to solve. Industry doesn't just go out and spend money.
Student: [inaudible]
They're not a bunch of scientists. They're actually more a bunch of engineers. They're trying to improve the human condition, which means they're going to help make communications great. And communications have come a long way. My daughter moved her family for three months to Tonga this summer, and the first day there my granddaughter was climbing a tree and fell and broke her femur. Tonga doesn't have health care, so they had to fly her to Auckland, New Zealand to have her leg set. But Linda gets on the phone and calls me — she's got her cell phone that she uses ordinarily in North Carolina. She's calling me from Auckland, and it's just a regular old phone call. You couldn't do that when I was your age. So communications have certainly grown and developed.
But most of what industry does is profit-motivated. The government, on the other hand, does fund research that could be forty, fifty years out, because they're not looking for an internal rate of return per se. That's the point I was trying to make.
§3. The World Trade Center paper and writing for an audience [13:09]
I handed out a paper on the World Trade Center. I wrote this paper because some editor of a journal asked Professor Joel Clark about three weeks after the World Trade Center collapse if he would write an article. He said, well, why don't you ask Tom Eagar. I was so sick of reading newspaper articles about how the steel melted in the fire that I said yes. Any idiot who's ever been to a fire scene knows that steel doesn't melt in a regular old fire. But all the editors and reporters didn't know that. So I decided to write a paper.
You should think about who you're writing the paper for. A graduate student just gave me a paper last week — he wants me to be a co-author, and I made my comments on his draft. He asked what I thought of it. I said, well, what journal do you want to send it to? Because you should be writing for the journal you're going to send it to. Most people don't do that. They just sort of write randomly.
When I wrote that article, I was writing to a good high school science student. I wanted it to be understood by someone who knew some of the words. I wrote this fifteen years ago. I haven't gotten an email about it since this morning — a guy wrote me and said he found this paper about the World Trade Center, and he didn't know the difference between heat and temperature. That's a fundamental concept in thermodynamics — one's an extensive quality, one's an intensive quality. We don't have to go into thermodynamics, but I explained it in lay person's terms.
One of the things you have to learn to do as an engineer is, you can do the best research in the world, but if you can't explain it to a lay person in the fifteen-second elevator talk, it'll never go anywhere. I spent three hours writing this paper. That's the shortest time of any of several hundred papers I've written, by far. I've gotten more comments on this paper than all of my other papers combined. Why? Because it was written at a low enough level that lay people could understand it, and it was about a topic that a lot of people were interested in. The conspiracy theorists think I'm one of the great Satans of the world, because they know the government actually planned the whole World Trade Center collapse.
Eighteen percent of Americans are conspiracy theorists on the World Trade Center. The guy who sent me the email this morning was very polite, but I can read between the lines. He finishes up asking me about the explosions in the lobby. I never even heard of explosions, and I've been listening to this stuff for fifteen years.
§4. Structural vs. functional materials, and the Age of Socioengineering [16:55]
The paper you probably should read out of this is called "Socioengineering." Before I get to that — the Japanese separate materials into two classes. This class is supposed to be about structural materials, although sometimes we'll talk about functional materials. What's the difference? If you're a mechanical engineer or a civil engineer, a structural material is something for which we're interested in the mechanical properties — toughness, strength, creep, corrosion, aesthetic properties. Functional materials, on the other hand, have lots of different properties: chemical, magnetic, electrical, optical. Whereas with structural materials, we're focusing on mechanical properties. And we're going to talk about which mechanical properties are most important.
Structural materials are used in very large volumes. You hear a lot in the Wall Street Journal about functional materials: a few nanograms of such-and-such will change the world forever. I remember when MIT was talking about taking away the last freshman elective by requiring biology for all freshmen. I was opposed to it, not because I was opposed to biology — I was opposed to getting rid of all the electives in the freshman year.
The associate dean of engineering and I were sitting at dinner one time, and he says, well, Tom, biology is really important. I said, Herb, I know it's important, but give them a choice. Don't take away all their electives in their freshman year. He says, but Tom, everything's going to be biology in the future. Whenever you hear some absolute like "everything" — not everything is going to be biology. I said, Herb, when you can give me a seed that I can plant by the side of a riverbed and a bridge grows across the river, I will believe that everything is biology. He says, oh, you're a hard man.
Not everything is biology. Not everything is optical, not everything is electrical. All these things are important, but they're used in very small volumes. We're going to talk about things that are used in very large volumes. We're also going to talk about the Age of Socioengineering. This is on Stellar — it's an article based on a talk at an engineering centennial celebration at the University of Colorado in 1993. Do you know who Norm Augustine is, other than that he wrote a book called Augustine's Laws? He's a Princeton graduate, but he's a member of the MIT Corporation. He rose to become chairman of Lockheed Martin Corporation. He's a national spokesman for engineering. He's head of the National Academy of Engineering.
If you get the original version of his book, not the sanitized version he wrote after he got into the management ranks — when he wrote his first book, it has some great graphs. It shows the trend line for the cost of an airplane versus time, and it also shows the national budget and the Air Force budget. It shows that in 2025, the Air Force will be able to buy one airplane with their entire budget for the entire U.S. Air Force. And in 2070 or so, the U.S. government will be able to buy one airplane a year at the rate of increase of aircraft. Now that's changed since he wrote this back in the 70s or 80s, because we're getting people out of planes and having drones. But if you'd followed that same trend line, the point was, the slopes were different, and you're looking at the trends. He was one of the few people who would speak truth to power in his youth. He's a great guy.
He said, for every engineering action there's an equal and opposite social reaction. That's what I want to talk about today — externalities. He starts out in 2900 BC with the Structural Age. Then he gets to the Industrial Revolution in the mid-1700s, which he called the Mechanical Age. Does anybody know why 1879 is a pretty specific date for the Electrical Age? Have you heard of George Westinghouse and Thomas Edison? General Electric, Westinghouse Electric. That was when we first had commercial electric power. Before that, it was just a scientific curiosity in a laboratory. But they did the engineering to make it freely available, mostly for lighting. Street lighting was a very big problem a hundred and fifty years ago. The Information Age — I don't remember why he came up with 1906. And then 1979 he called the Socioengineering Age — I think that's the year for Three Mile Island.
Basically what he's saying is, anytime we want to do something in engineering, we have to worry about the social, economic, political consequences. We no longer are able to just engineer things in pure engineering. When I was a student, we certainly didn't worry about these things. But now, the primary reason a lot of students want to be engineers is to help solve climate change, or the energy crisis, or you name it. These are things that have social, political implications.
§5. Externalities: Pennzoil Oil City and the Superfund problem [23:27]
Anybody taking an economics course? No one's ever taken economics. So what's an externality in economics? Charlie Fine likes to talk about externalities over at the Sloan School. An externality in economics is a cost or benefit that affects a party who did not choose to incur that cost or benefit. My parents both smoked — we'd take a trip to visit my grandparents 120 miles away, and all three of us in the back were also smoking even though I was only five years old, because the car was full of smoke. That was a cost my parents imposed on me, until the Surgeon General told my father he could die of cancer. He died of a heart attack anyway. We have all kinds of externalities — environmental, and others.
One externality that's political happened with rare earths in 2011. China manufactures ninety-seven percent of all the rare earths in the world. This is a manufacturing plant — pretty neat, huh? Is that where you want to work? No one else really wants to work there either, but the Chinese are willing to put their people in those plants. They didn't have ninety-seven percent in the past, but they have thirty-six percent of all the rare earth reserves. Rare earths are not very rare — we've got 130 million tons of reserves in the world. That's more than twenty years' supply at 30, 31,000 tons shipped per year. They're actually very plentiful. That's a bad name for them.
In 2010, China basically told Hitachi and Toshiba and all these people in Japan that they were not going to ship rare earths to them. They could no longer make the electronics, because you have to have rare earths to make the magnets. They're essential. This was economic war. If you Google this, you can find all you want on the internet about the politics — how the Chinese said, oh, this had nothing to do with the fact we're fighting over the Spratly Islands. But it had to do with political muscling.
They had developed a monopoly position because they were willing to eat the world's pollution on production of rare earths, of which they had a very high natural resource. The United States had production facilities before China was opened up by Richard Nixon in the 70s. But the Chinese undersold us, and all the American production facilities were closed. We had mines in California. We have reserves — they're not that rare — but we couldn't compete economically with Chinese prices. So when the Chinese had a monopoly, it's just like the oil embargo of 1972 all over again.
Back then, the Saudis could produce a barrel of oil for a dollar. Right now it costs the Saudis five dollars to produce a barrel of oil. The Canadians in the tar sands are number two behind Saudi Arabia in the amount of oil reserves. But it costs them eighty dollars a barrel to produce. So when you get down to a forty-dollar barrel of oil, all those Alberta facilities are deeply in the red, unless they can cut their costs dramatically — which they've been doing — or the price of oil comes back up. That's what the Saudis did because they were tired of the Nigerians and all these other people. The Nigerians, I think, have like a ten-dollar-a-barrel price. Some people have cheap oil, some have expensive oil.
We've always had twenty years' supply of oil — actually more than twenty years' supply. Saudi Arabia has the most oil. I can't remember if Canada — Alberta — is number two or Venezuela. Underneath the Orinoco River there's a trillion tons of heavy oil. The only problem is, you have to dig it up. You can't pump it. It's heavy oil, like tar, like the Canadians have. And it's hard to dig through all that river — the water keeps flowing in. So they don't really know how to get the Venezuelan stuff.
Student: One other example is with the aerospace engines. GE got slammed really hard because the trace elements they use for the turbine — they changed to rhenium, and China had all the rhenium and cut supply, and it caused their engine production costs to almost double, right?
I didn't know that particular story about the rhenium, but I have some turbine-type things. A lot of the alloys have six percent rhenium. It's one of the platinum group metals. It only goes for about forty dollars an ounce, and you can afford that in an aircraft engine. It's a little pricey, we don't like it, but it gives properties we can't get other ways. We often develop ways around things. So the Chinese basically held the Japanese with a gun to their head on the exports.
But I've looked at this for forty years, and when someone does some sort of monopolistic thing like the Arab oil embargo or the rare earth problem — the Chinese will never have a stranglehold on rare earths for many years, because within five to ten years, other people will come along and develop their own. When they see the economic power of the disruption, they're going to protect themselves. At the time of the oil embargo in 1972, all the utility plants were firing oil in their boilers. They'd gotten rid of coal. When the Saudis said you can't have any oil, the utilities couldn't make electricity. Within five years they had retooled their plants so they could flip a switch and go to coal or natural gas or oil. Whichever fuel was most cost-effective, they spent the money to protect themselves against the extortion. Whether it's rhenium, oil, or rare earths, people will get monopolistic power and try to exercise it, but within five or ten years the rest of the world adapts.
I'll give you one more economic externality. Back in the mid to late 90s, I got a call because a woman was welding on a tank at the Oil City refinery of Pennzoil. This is a picture postcard from around 1910 of the Oil City, Pennsylvania refinery. It's just down the river from Titusville, where Edwin Drake discovered oil and drilled for it in 1856. So this was a hundred-year-old refinery when I went to visit in 1996. It was ancient, right there on the river. They were welding on one of the tanks in the tank yard.
The first day I was there, you go out to the tank yard where this thing had blown up — the woman got killed, she was thrown across the river by the explosion. There's gravel around the tanks, but you dig down two feet and you strike oil. They'd been spilling oil so long there — for ninety years at that point — that there's oil everywhere. That night in the hotel room I was saying, how could Pennzoil, a huge corporation, run a plant like this? The next morning at breakfast I figured it out. They couldn't afford to close it, because as soon as they closed it, it became a Superfund site. Under the law, they were going to have to pay for the cleanup of the pollution they'd been doing for ninety years. Since then it has been closed — one of my former graduate students grew up near there and told me. Eventually it was uneconomical to run, but they were paying to run it because they couldn't afford to close it. That's an externality.
Student: [inaudible question about Superfund]
Then it goes into the Superfund, which we taxpayers all pay for. When you see a lot of these consolidations of steel companies, the rules for what was pollution fifty years ago are not the same as the rules today. Here's a picture of Oil City in 1864, after Edwin Drake in 1856. They had barges full of barrels. I was told — I couldn't find this on the web — that later, they just floated it on the river. They had enough oil coming down from Titusville that they just skimmed it off at the other end rather than putting it in barrels.
Today, here's a picture of an oil slick. In my town of Belmont, about fifteen years ago they had an oil leak from one of the oil tanks at one of the elementary schools. A high school student looks at Clay Pit Pond and sees an oil slick on the surface — it cost the town two million dollars for environmental cleanup. Oil City back in 1900 wouldn't have had a problem. They would have loved to have seen water that clean. The rules have changed. The mining sites, slag sludge ponds — that was perfectly legal when they did it. Now we change the law on these companies and say, oh, that wasn't a good idea, we're going to make you pay for it. Some of these companies go bankrupt because of that. In fact, most of the steel companies in the United States did go bankrupt. U.S. Steel is the only one who's really been able to survive, because of legacy cleanup costs.
Student: [inaudible question]
You can call it a legislative externality. The company is told fifty years later that it has to pay for a cleanup that was legal when it did it. The stockholders feel like, well, it was legal when we did it, and now you're changing the rules. And yes, we are changing the rules. I don't know what the right answer is. It depends on whether you come down as an environmentalist or a stockholder. What if you're both? You're conflicted.
§6. Social, cultural, and military externalities [36:23]
Another externality is social. Conflict diamonds — anyone know what conflict diamonds are?
Student: They're mined by groups in areas that use child labor. They're mostly in areas that are military — but against the government, rebel groups.
Right. The rebel groups in Angola and the Congo had been having civil war for fifty years. Angola stopped their civil war about five or ten years ago, and the Congo stopped theirs a few years ago after about fifty years. But the rebel groups were essentially forcing labor of children and others to dig for diamonds. They'd take the diamonds and pay for their rebellion. What is ISIS doing? It's the same type of thing. We don't call it conflict diamonds, but they take antiquities and either destroy them out of spite, or sell them on the black market to raise money for military operations.
Can anybody think of an externality from your experience? Another one is lead poisoning. This is a plot on a log scale, tons of lead produced per year. These are the Roman lead mines, which eventually wore out, but they were taking over 10,000 tons a year. The Romans were making lead pipes — water pipes — for their plumbing. That wouldn't go over very well today. Does anyone know why children eat lead paint?
Student: It's sweet?
Yeah, it tastes good to them. I always wondered — none of my kids ever sat there eating paint. But it turns out lead oxide is slightly sweet, and that's why they do it.
Mercury poisoning. One of the problems we have is fluorescent lights. Lighting is an interesting topic if you wanted one for a presentation. Originally they had gas lights, and they transported gas for street lights. They would hollow out logs to make the pipes. I've seen some of the logs they've dug up in the city of Boston that were old gas pipes. They just drilled out the log, buried it in the ground, stuck some mud around it, and passed gas down to have street lamps. Then Edison came along with incandescent light bulbs — tremendously inefficient, generated a lot of heat. Then fluorescent light came along. If you take my welding class, I'll tell you how a fluorescent light works and how it differs from a welding arc. They're all arcs in physics.
There's a little bit of mercury in every one of these, because mercury is easily vaporized. You need a metal vapor in there to easily start the arc. You've only got about 20,000 volts to start this arc, and you couldn't start it unless you vaporize some mercury first. It would take a million volts to start that light, and that's not really safe to have in the house. It's not even that safe to have 20,000 volts. So mercury poisoning is another environmental externality.
Another one you might hear about in this department — there are several efforts working on carbon-free metal production. Let's get rid of the CO2. For millennia, the very first metal oxide ores were reduced thousands of years ago. They had a fire with metal oxide ores in the reducing environment of the carbon monoxide in the fire, and they ended up getting copper or tin or whatever — the Bronze Age. The reason for that, if you're a materials scientist, is the Ellingham diagram for oxides. This is the free energy of the oxide versus temperature, and they all go up except for carbon and oxygen forming carbon monoxide — it goes negative. So in theory, carbon monoxide can reduce every metal known to man.
The problem is, if you're producing billions of tons of a metal, you're producing a lot of CO2. People would like to get carbon-free metal production. A number of faculty in this department have ways to do it with electricity. Except where do you get the electricity? You're going to burn coal to get your electricity. You can use hydroelectric or solar, but if you start doing some of these calculations, you find you've got a problem with scale.
Another is a military externality. Anyone ever heard of World War II? What was the reason for World War II? Why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor? We're doing the same politics today with North Korea, folks. If they really have a bomb they can deliver, they might do the same thing the Japanese did — a preemptive strike. The Japanese had designs — they were murdering, slaughtering millions of people in Nanking, China in the late 1930s. They wanted to take over most of East Asia. They'd already taken Korea, and they were marching into China. They estimate thirty million Chinese were killed. You can talk about the Jewish Holocaust under Hitler, but the Japanese killed a lot more Chinese than Hitler ever killed Jews and others in Europe.
They were fueled with oil from Long Beach, California. The United States was supplying oil to Japan. We were also supplying scrap iron — they didn't have a huge steel industry back then. We decided to stop this carnage in China by taking away the oil and steel from the Japanese. If you take something away from somebody, what are they going to do? They're going to fight back. From the Japanese point of view, they had no choice. If they were going to keep their military empire going, they had to have oil and steel. So they had to get rid of this nuisance power, the United States. They did a preemptive strike on Pearl Harbor. What were they hoping to do at Pearl Harbor? They knocked out a lot of battleships, but what were they hoping to do that they didn't do? Anybody know that history?
They were trying to get the aircraft carriers. They knew aircraft carriers were the key — in fact, it was four Japanese aircraft carriers that steamed across the Pacific to attack Pearl Harbor. They were hoping to catch the American carriers at Pearl, because they knew that if they wiped out the American carriers, the Americans could never fight back. Fortunately, we had like eight battleships there. None of the carriers — all the carriers were out on the ocean — they didn't get any of the carriers. We only had four or five carriers. If you know the rest of the history of World War II, it was the carriers that helped win the war early on.
Externalities can be cultural. Gold is something that has very little intrinsic scientific value. There are a few applications of gold — it's good for arthritis. They give you gold injections for arthritis. It's one of the only things that really works. You haven't had a gold injection — you don't have arthritis yet. I didn't know this until I was in my twenties. I rode to work with a guy in a carpool, and he was getting gold injections.
But mostly gold is ornamental. The growth in mining of gold has gone up dramatically over the last hundred and fifty years, from 705 metric tons to 3,000 — a fourfold increase. All the gold ever mined — there was a National Geographic article — would fit in a hundred-foot cube, from the beginning of the world. Where is half of the gold in the world located? It's not Fort Knox.
Student: [inaudible guess]
Nope — half of all the mined gold since the beginning of the world is in one country: India. This is an Indian bride, and she's got a fair amount of gold. This is a guy who was a real estate tycoon in India. He just liked gold — he really loved gold. He had a gold shirt made for a quarter million dollars. He became very famous; he wanted to become famous. You can see how proud he is of his gold. About three weeks later, he was killed by some guys who attacked him. He wasn't wearing his gold shirt at the time, but he was murdered. He was just an arrogant guy and some guys decided. That happened just in the last year. It's a cultural thing in India.
§7. Positive externalities and the renewables question [47:23]
Student: Do you have positive externalities?
That would be a good presentation, to try to think of a positive externality. Externalities are a cost imposed on someone else — almost a benefit if it's positive. A lot of social work is an externality, when people are altruistic and give of themselves. Mother Teresa. You don't like that? Well, think of it — that's a good question. Usually we consider it a cost, and cost is usually considered a negative thing.
Student: [inaudible — apparently suggests research and competitiveness as positive externalities]
That's a good example, and it comes back to your question before about basic research. The government funds basic research — that's a positive externality. Hopefully we get a payoff from that research that far exceeds the cost. That would be a positive externality. In general I think the positives have to be — and this may be a religious type of opinion — when someone's trying to do something for someone else is when you can get a positive externality. If you're just trying to do something for yourself, maximize profit for yourself, when you're looking inward, you're going to get negative externalities. When you look outward, you're going to get positive externalities. That's a large religious philosophy almost. We're certainly not going to talk about religion.
Student: [inaudible]
Yeah, you can call it philosophical, regulatory. So I've got pictures of solar panels and wind farms. Why are these externalities?
Student: [inaudible — suggests they're not economically viable]
Both are not economically viable today. With a thirty percent tax credit, I'm redoing part of my house, and it's going to be a hundred thousand dollars to put solar cells on my house. I will be close to net energy zero. And if I go buy an electric car, then I put in all the electrical stuff for the electric cars.
The wind farm. I've been working on some wind towers — electrical transmission towers — in Texas. Texas has lots of wind in West Texas. There's not much else except desert there. They have a lot of wind. In a lot of states, they've passed laws that say fifteen percent of your electrical power must come from renewable resources by 2025. For Massachusetts, that means we can buy from James Bay up in Canada where they have hydroelectric power, or we can put in a wind farm off of Cape Cod — and all the people in Martha's Vineyard are going to be whining, because they don't want to see the towers.
Actually I was talking to a guy yesterday — there's something called a ring vortex from these wind turbines, and planes will get caught in these. Some of these things have 100-foot, 150-foot blades, and they're not going very fast, but they create a ring vortex. Some small planes have gotten caught in the turbine and can't get out. I said, well, that'll solve the problem for the people in Martha's Vineyard — they can either have wind turbines or visitors, because a lot of people like to fly into the Vineyard.
American Electric Power is spending 1.2 billion dollars in West Texas to build electrical transmission lines to take the wind power to Dallas and Austin and other parts in East Texas where the people live. No one has built the wind towers. No one's going to build the wind towers until they have a way to get the power to the cities where people are going to use it. So American Electric Power, with some tax credits, is going to invest 1.2 billion dollars to make it possible for other people to invest in wind turbines. Those are some externalities. I've got some more — we'll talk about them on Monday. Dr. Belmar will be here tomorrow, and there are some readings.