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Welding Metallurgy Summer 2015 Session · 7 sections 9 cases · Watch on YouTube ↗ all files
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§1. Ultrasonics, weld metal, and the TMI insurance fight [00:11]

§1.p1

We've seen a crack, in fact, that we've never seen before — that's what happened at Seabrook. It was scary to find cracks in the weld metal. The ultrasonics couldn't pick up the cracks because the weld metal has these big coarse grains and the ultrasonics is too noisy to look at. The base material has a better signal-to-noise ratio than the weld metal. It's not just that it's reflecting off the crack — the sound is also reflecting off lots of other things adjacent to it, like the grain structure.

§1.p2

Student: So anyway, just to ask, would they have to replace a couple, the top of the pressure vessel, or would they put like a big chunk of steel in there as well?

§1.p3

They'll appreciate a replaceable piece. They have to go in there for some changes. And eventually you're going to replace water, so you just put a patch in. I remember what happened at TMI [Three Mile Island] — on the first day and a half they called it stress corrosion cracking. And it was stress corrosion cracking. But then some attorney for GPU [General Public Utilities] read their insurance contract, which excluded corrosion. So after a day and a half they called it SAC, stress-assisted cracking. What type of cracking is not stress-assisted? You don't get a crack unless you have stress. But they needed to get that "corrosion" word out of the press releases. And then we got into the debate of, corrosion is a slow gradual process — if something occurs in thirty minutes, is it a slow process? You'd say no.

§1.p4

The second one went to arbitration, in Ohio. It was a graphite pressure vessel, and the question was, did it explode or did it collapse — because explosions were excluded from the policy, collapses were covered. So I went to the arbitration. It turned out the chief arbiter was the former vice president of American Nuclear Insurers, the ones who insured Three Mile Island. So this guy knew me from that. The big-shot attorney is asking questions: what's the definition of corrosion, what's the definition of an explosion? By the way, the word "explosion" comes from the Latin which means to clap or make a loud noise. So it turns out explosions make loud noises, okay. Collapses can make a loud noise too if you have something three stories tall and it collapses. So he's asking me these questions about how to define these words, and finally he gets frustrated and says, "Are we just going around in circles?" I said, "You may be, sir. I'm just here for the ride." Everybody cracked up.


§2. Introducing nickel-based alloys [04:28]

§2.p1

Okay, today we're going to a whole new one. Nickel-based alloys. This is basically straight out of Lippold's other book — Jonathan Lippold's workbook on welding metallurgy and weldability, the most recent book. The first book he wrote was on weldability of stainless steels, in 2005. The other book on weldability of nickel-based alloys, John Connelly had one. This should be on Stellar. We still don't know what's happening with Stellar — if you try to link by course number to 10.3 or 3.371 you can't get anything, but if you go to 3s171 you're authorized.

§2.p2

People like to think of MIT as a technologically sophisticated school. We only got manual registration about ten years ago. All the other universities in the country were doing computerized registration, but MIT was still doing optional carbon paper.

§2.p3

The problem with nickel alloys is they're expensive. You're talking around — I don't remember my numbers — about $6.50 a pound for nickel as a metal. We use commercially pure nickel for some situations, but like most pure metals it doesn't have very high strength. So we strengthen it by adding copper, molybdenum, iron, or chrome and iron. Nickel-chrome-iron is like saying stainless steel, except instead of eighteen percent chrome, eight percent nickel, and seventy-two percent iron, it's got seventy-two percent nickel and eight percent iron. We just switched the iron-nickel ratios. Then nickel-chrome-moly, nickel-iron-chrome-moly, and the cobalt alloys.

§2.p4

These things have been around for a hundred years. There was a guy, Elwood Haynes, from Indiana, who was interested in bicycles. He started making some of these alloys, and they were better than stainless steel. They were a little pricey, but they had better corrosion resistance. So we use these in all kinds of applications. The alloys haven't changed a whole lot in the last forty or sixty years, because they're not used in huge items. There's not a huge market to improve these things — until people started learning how to weld zirconium. We had been welding titanium. If you look at the periodic table, titanium and zirconium are right below each other. Zirconium is the cladding on your reactors because boron is a poison; zirconium has a lower neutron cross-section. Hafnium follows that — hafnium is a poison for neutrons just like boron, so when you make zirconium really pure you take the hafnium out. Anyway, we did a lot more welding on titanium from the 1950s on, and it wasn't really until the 1980s or 1990s that, from the titanium, we learned how to process zirconium.

§2.p5

People always used a nickel-molybdenum alloy for the reactor vessels for making acetic acid. Acetic acid is the highest-volume organic acid. They make acetate films, all kinds of plastics, pharmaceuticals — it's just a raw material like wood or steel. The largest inorganic acid is sulfuric acid; almost all the gasoline has to go through a sulfuric acid catalyst. About the only thing corrosion-resistant to acetic acid in its manufacture was this nickel-moly alloy. There's nothing special about the Monels — they were just nickel-copper alloys. They changed a little bit but about the same as they were sixty years ago. There's not a lot of sophistication, the kind there is in aluminum, certainly not the kind there is in steel.


§3. Precipitation-strengthened alloys and intermetallics [10:13]

§3.p1

But then you get over here to the precipitation-strengthened. These alloys have titanium or aluminum, which form intermetallics — very high-melting intermetallics. Nickel-tri-aluminum melts at about 2003 centigrade. Nickel melts at about fifteen or sixteen hundred centigrade. The alloy can have tremendous high tensile strength. These are the workhorse alloys for generations of jet turbines. Lots of sophisticated precipitation-strengthened alloys — not very weldable, but in general we don't weld them in place. We can weld them, but there's not very much you can do. Some repairs, yes. There are some special ones where you don't have to worry about intermetallics — that's sort of a research project over at Oak Ridge National Lab, and they get tens of millions of dollars for turbine compressor stuff. And then ODS, oxide-dispersion-strengthened, where you have very fine oxide inclusions for strengthening.

§3.p2

If you go through Lippold's book, he'll tell you which alloys go with what. Gamma prime is the nickel-aluminum-titanium intermetallic phase, and if you get that as a precipitate you can get very good high creep strength. This stuff doesn't dissolve until about 1,200 degrees centigrade in an alloy that melts at around 1,350 centigrade. So it maintains its strength to very high temperatures. Nickel-three-niobium is gamma double prime — similar high-melting phase, but if you've got gamma double prime with niobium rather than gamma prime with titanium, you're much more weldable. People prefer Inconel 718 because it stays away from gamma prime, which is very difficult to weld without cracking. Then they throw in all these other things as carbide formers. You can get higher creep strength from these superalloys for jet turbines by creating some of these different phases — the sigma phase, the mu phase, Laves phase. They call them topologically close-packed phases. Some of these can be very brittle. In stainless steel the sigma phase can embrittle the steel. And then chromium and aluminum are oxide-forming, increase your strength.

§3.p3

So nickel alloys are used for corrosion resistance — primarily solid solution — and high-temperature strength. These are our workhorse materials for very high-temperature processes, above where stainless steel will go. Stainless steel, let's say 600 degrees C is the size you want to use it to; you can get up to a thousand on some of these, even eleven hundred in some cases.


§4. Solidification cracking and the Bettis specification [13:00]

§4.p1

One of the problems with these alloys — like the Monels the Navy uses — is they are the model system in the laboratory for developing solidification cracking. If you want to study solidification cracking, you won't find a better system than nickel-copper alloys. And it has to do with the grain structure during welding. If you make a very deep weld and you have something with an elliptical shape, your last part to solidify will be up in here. You get rejection of solute. You have to make sure the field welds are the right shape. If you have a concave shape with a steep slope, you'll form a centerline crack.

§4.p2

If you look at the microstructure, this is what happens. As it shrinks, you end up with these solid dendrites. Think of the solid dendrites as ice crystals in syrup. Anything, as it shrinks on solidification, you end up with these nice little cracks. Sometimes you can actually squeeze some of that liquid into the cracks, and they call this self-healing. But it's still a weak spot in the material. Maybe it's not a real crack, but it's still a weakness.

§4.p3

The only spec I've ever seen — and I had to try to qualify this for a company — I told you, for five years I did hundreds of failure analyses for a consulting engineering firm down south. There is a company in eastern Massachusetts that was making some pipe welds for Navy reactors, in these nickel-based alloys, and they're so prone to cracking that Bettis — Westinghouse Bettis, one of the Navy's two labs for reactor materials and design, along with General Electric KAPL [Knolls Atomic Power Lab] — they've been downsized a lot since they designed the reactors in the 50s and 60s, but they still exist. It's one of the two areas of the government where you still have competing labs, which is an expensive way to go.

§4.p4

They could make this electron beam weld. This is about a half-inch-thick material; I don't know what part of the reactor it was, all I got was test samples. There are two electron beam welders in eastern Massachusetts — a lot of electron beam welding shops in New England compared to other parts of the country. The first electron beam welder was at Pratt & Whitney in Connecticut, a General Electric plant, for the aerospace industry. A bunch of European companies came over, those experts in electron beam came over into Connecticut and Massachusetts, and they're still here. One of the earliest ones was started by — one of my welding professors at MIT, Koichi Masubuchi knew him — back in the 60s, started electron beam on a job-shop basis as a consulting business.

§4.p5

They make these welds, and they had to magnetically spin the beam to get a wider weld, then overlap it by thirty percent and make another weld right next to it, and they had to do this without any cracks more than about a millimeter in size. This is the first spec — and the only spec — I've ever seen in welding where cracks are allowed. But they had to be smaller than about a millimeter because they needed the corrosion resistance. They found they couldn't weld it without cracks, so they went back, did the fracture mechanics, and said okay, the cracks are no bigger than what we can live with for the life of this thing.

§4.p6

Those guys tried to qualify those welds. I was getting samples for six months. They kept sending samples, they spent a fortune, they couldn't get their beams operating precisely. They kept failing the spec. They wouldn't talk to me — I didn't have security clearance, so they couldn't tell me what they were doing or how they were doing it. You get this kind of solidification cracking all the time.


§5. The Savage school and the metallurgy bias [19:07]

§5.p1

Lippold did his thesis at RPI, and the big name there was Warren Savage — in welding he was the top guy in the 1970s in the country. He developed lots of cracking tests. This is one called the transverse strength test. You take a gas tungsten arc torch, lay a weld bead on your material, and then while you're welding you deform it in place. So you're putting a big strain on it while it's solidifying. Then you go along and look for cracks — you find them, you find how they form, you find the microstructure with this testing process.

§5.p2

So we know how to design the alloys. They were designed in the 50s and 60s, and Savage was doing his research in the 60s and 70s, for the companies making these alloys, trying to improve them. If you get cracks — if you make a big enough weld, you're going to have some cracks. And the question was, how do you get enough cracks so you can find out which alloys are most resistant?

§5.p3

I think I told you, when I started in this business, most of the welders thought the only way you solved a welding problem was welding metallurgy. If the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail. I remember sitting in my first office at 137 First Arrows here saying, how am I going to compete with those half-dozen, a dozen Warren Savage students who have all been brought up on welding metallurgy? If I'm going to be in welding, I'm going to do something else. So I chose welding processes, the physical chemistry of the process. And you still see in Lippold's three books a good example of everything being welding metallurgy.

§5.p4

NAVSEA tells you guys, take a welding metallurgy course. I don't tell you take a welding course — they tell you take a welding metallurgy course. It's not where we solve the problem. We didn't learn to solve any of these problems. There's sort of no problems anymore. After fifty years we know how to control the metallurgy and the composition so we don't have these problems we had when they were developing the alloys. The problems today are more process problems, like keeping the moisture out of your shielding gas, or keeping the lube off the wires. We're having the same problems we had in the 1930s with hydrogen cracking, that still shows up in various forms.


§6. The artist's-conception microstructure [22:06]

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The other thing about the nickel-based alloys — this entity is out of one of those books, but he stole it from somebody else. Anselm wrote a book on nickel-based superalloys before him. This is an artist's conception of microstructure. This direction is increasing aluminum or titanium. Here you have nearly pure nickel, and over here you have a nickel-based superalloy that's going to go on a jet engine turbine blade. You start out with something that doesn't have anything except a few M23C6 carbides along the grain boundaries. These are similar to the carbides that cause chromium carbide sensitization in stainless steels. You get grain boundary cracking when you form these carbides — in nickel-based superalloys too, doesn't have to be iron-based.

§6.p2

As you move over and put in more chrome and a little more titanium, you'll start getting MC carbides — one metal atom for every carbon atom. These MC carbides form at higher temperatures; they're sort of blocky. As you're adding titanium, you get some gamma prime — nickel-three-titanium — you get a few of these. As you keep increasing the concentration, your grain boundaries get more carbides, and you get more and more gamma prime precipitates. You get over here to even higher concentrations and all of a sudden these gamma prime precipitates become kind of square rather than round. There's good crystallographic reasons for that. You get volume fractions of gamma prime to the nickel matrix that can be eighty-five percent intermetallic surrounded by some solid solution, and that's what gives you the really good strength at high temperatures.

§6.p3

You can also get modules — and you have to forge them if they're not cast. So the turbine disks, you have to forge in the right way to break up some of these original solidification structures. Or if you don't want to start with a casting, you can do what the Air Force started: spray these alloys into a fine powder, solidify it that way so you don't get these big coarse blocky carbides and intermetallics, and you don't have to break them down by forging — you take those powders, already fine-grained, and consolidate them. You get a more uniform start without some of these big blocky ugly things. You still want the blocky gamma prime precipitates. But you don't want segregation of different alloying elements during solidification. You don't really like to start with a casting because it gives you big blocky regions — kind of like raisins in plum pudding or raisin bread. You want those raisins fine and uniform, small. With powder metallurgy you can get more uniform, more homogeneous, and even higher properties.


§7. The three circles and the submarine hull [25:33]

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Student: That's a weakness, I mean — these alloys, the way you always push your, you explain how a submarine really has a, not high-strength but better-treated steel, right? So we need to reconcile that — but the idea is, the hull of a submarine is rated for a certain period of time, right? And so the implication is that — you make sure it's stronger, it alleviates a lot of stress on it. Going deep gets rid of —

§7.p2

I've never forgotten my three interacting circles — the metallurgy circle, which is microstructure, is one, and there's only so much I can do after I've made my material. Then there's the stress circle. If I relieve the residual stresses or shrink the strain, if I keep it nice and clean — my environment, don't let hydrogen get in, don't let boric acid get up in there — if I keep the system clean by my process or by putting hydrazine in on shutdown to get the oxygen out of the water, I shrink that circle. You can't solve all the problems in the metallurgy circle. Some you have to solve in the mechanical behavior circle, which is residual stresses. Some you have to solve in the corrosion circle, which is the environment. You want to think of it that way. When General Electric had their big stress corrosion cracking problem, they worked on all three circles. One of my problems with most of the philosophy of welding in this country right now is that everything's in the metallurgist's circle. You don't solve it just looking in one area. You attack every area. So that's your question.

§7.p3

Student: I don't — not exactly, I guess. My question was, submarines, the strength of their hull — but also, over time their hull doesn't fail, right? So what is it — like brittle fracture — that we're afraid of, and what is it now?

§7.p4

Submarines aren't like a surface ship. You might have corrosion and thinning. If it were just the hull, that hull would last a lot longer. It's all those other components inside that drive the lifetime. The Los Angeles class — they wanted to extend the lifespan. When you look at the hull, that's all good. After you pressure-harden it, it's going to last you as long as you're preventing corrosion — it'll last forever. So that's really not the limiting component.

§7.p5

Well, that's assuming you never cut through that hull in the previous thirty years. I remember seeing a picture of the [Patrick Henry] back in 1988, and it looked like a patchwork quilt, with all the penetrations. If you just built your hull and never touched it for the next thirty years, it'll last another thirty years, or a hundred years, as long as you keep your zincs on, your cathodic protection. But when you start welding other things on it, it no longer has that 30-foot-diameter circle or 20-foot-diameter circle accurate to whatever millimeters. Not very many, right? It's a pretty perfect circle. Once it's thirty years old, I've done so many penetrations, that thing won't have the same depth capability because it's no longer a cylinder — it's sort of a funky cylinder. I bet when they were evaluating it, they were measuring diameters at different positions and saying, is this hull worth saving? But it's not from corrosion or metallurgy of the hull — it's from the structure, the geometry of the hull.

§7.p6

If it failed in the hull — most ships, Sealift ships, Coast Guard ships, they're thrown away to nothing. They're held together by paint at the end. But on Navy ships, it's not really the hull, it's all the components inside. They're advancing the technology so rapidly that they want to build a new ship. Who wants the old ship? You don't want to be assigned to a fifty-year-old. The Coast Guard, they'll do that — you go to the Coast Guard. Okay, we've got to stop.

Cases referenced

  • Three Mile Island insurance dispute §1.p3

    Used to introduce the stress-corrosion-cracking vs. stress-assisted-cracking distinction as an insurance-policy issue. GPU's attorney reads the policy, finds corrosion is excluded, and the terminology gets rewritten — a "day and a half" later — to remove "corrosion" from the press releases.

  • Ohio graphite pressure vessel arbitration §1.p4

    Tom's arbitration testimony. Question: did the vessel explode or collapse? Explosion excluded from policy; collapse covered. Tom's exchange with the attorney ("Are we just going around in circles?" / "You may be, sir. I'm just here for the ride.") closes §1.

  • Bettis nickel-alloy electron-beam weld specification §4.p3

    Eastern Massachusetts EB shop making pipe welds for Navy reactors in nickel-based alloys. The Bettis specification is "the first spec and the only spec I've ever seen in welding where cracks are allowed" — cracks permitted below ~1mm, justified by fracture mechanics. Tom was qualifying samples for six months; the shop kept failing the spec. Tom was kept out of the technical details due to lack of security clearance.

  • GE stress corrosion cracking program (three circles) §7.p2

    Cited as the exemplar of attacking a problem across all three of Tom's circles (metallurgy / mechanical / corrosion) rather than just the metallurgist's circle.

  • USS Patrick Henry hull penetrations §7.p5

    Tom's 1988 picture of the Patrick Henry showed a "patchwork quilt" of hull penetrations. Used to make the point that hull lifetime is limited not by the steel's corrosion or metallurgy but by geometric deviation from a perfect cylinder after thirty years of cut-and-reweld work.

  • Los Angeles class life extension §7.p4

    Brief reference. Hull condition is good; lifetime limited by internal components and rate of technological advance.

  • Three interacting circles (metallurgy / mechanical / corrosion) §7.p2

    Tom's framework for thinking about welding-related failures. Each problem can be attacked by shrinking any of the three circles; the metallurgy-only orientation of US welding practice is named as a limitation.

  • Nickel pricing (~$6.50/lb) §2.p3

    Cited as the explanation for nickel alloys' expense relative to steel.

  • Welding professor lineage at MIT (Masubuchi) §4.p4

    Tom's predecessor in welding at MIT. Reference is to a colleague who started one of the first electron-beam job shops in New England. ## Cases referenced from prior sessions The opening of §1 continues a discussion from the previous session about Seabrook weld-metal cracks and the limits of ultrasonic inspection in coarse-grained weld metal. No new content introduced; treated as continuation, not a fresh case. ## Open questions - §4.p4 referenced colleague: name not recoverable from transcript; if other lectures identify the MIT-era EB-shop founder, this is the cross-reference. - §7.p5: USS Patrick Henry treatment in transcript suggests Tom saw the photo personally; cross-reference with other submarine-hull lectures may identify the photo source.

Layer 2 — cleanup edit
p1 00:11

We've seen in fact a Trojan, but that we've never seen before. You're not looking for that. That's what happened on Seabrook [?] new typo. It was scary to find cracks in the weld metal. And you talked about, the ultrasonics couldn't pick up the cracks because the weld metal has these big coarse grains and the ultrasonics is too noisy to look at those. You'd say oh there's a lot of unknowns the weld metal with the other signs reflecting off the big grains. We don't have a base material. So the base material has a better signal to noise ratio on your ultrasonics than the weld [metal]. It's not, wow, it's reflecting off the crack time, that it doesn't reflect off the crack in the weld metal, but it's also the sound is reflecting off lots of other things adjacent to that, like the grain, the microstructure.

p2 01:09

Student: So anyway just questions, what they've, had to replace a couple top of the pressure vessel, or would they put like a big chunk of steel in there as well?

p3 01:16

They'll appreciate a replaceable place. They have to go in there for some changes. Count me out. And eventually you're going to replace water, so you know, just put a patch in. I remember what you guys said about your TMI [Three Mile Island] on the first two days, or first day and a half they called it stress corrosion cracking. And it was stress corrosion cracking. But then some attorney for GPU [General Public Utilities] read their insurance contract where excluded corrosion, okay. So after a day and a half they had called it SAC, stress assisted cracking. What type of cracking is not stress assisted, okay? You don't get a crack unless you have stress. But they need to get that corrosion word out of the press releases, and that was one of their problems. But additionally they said stress corrosion cracking, oh the exclusion, your insurance policy says we don't cover corrosion. Then we got into the debate of, corrosion is a slow gradual process. If something occurs in 30 minutes, is it a slow process? Wow, you say no, okay.

p4 02:25

With this thing went to, what went to arbitration, the second one was in Ohio. It was a graphite pressure vessel, and the question was, did it explode or did it collapse, because explosions were excluded from the policy, okay. Collapses were up, okay. So I remember going to the arbitration. Turns out at the arbitration the chief arbiter was the former vice president of American Nuclear Insurers, which were the ones who insured the Three Mile Island thing. So this guy knew me from that, okay. I was working for [unclear]. So we go into this arbitration, so this attorney, big shot attorney, is asking questions here, now the compound was about, what's the definition of corrosion, what's the definition of an explosion. By the way the word explosion comes from the Latin which means to clap or make a loud noise. So it turns out explosions make loud noises okay. Collapses can make a loud noise too if you have something that's three stories tall and it collapses. So anyway he's asking me these questions about how to define these words, and finally just gets frustrated, and he says, are we just going around in circles? I said, you may be sir, I'm just here for the ride. Everybody cracked up and occur.

p5 04:28

Okay today we're going for a whole new one okay. We're going to spend not very long enough okay. So nickel based alloys [scissors?], not that many of you although the name copper-nickel. My help, there's actually, this basically is straight out of Lippold's other book, which is Jonathan Lippold's workbook on welding metallurgy and weldability, which is the most recent book. The first book he wrote on weldability of stainless steels in 2005. And any other book on weldability of nickel-based alloys, John Connelly had won. And so this is this offshoot of this book. It should be on Stellar. We still don't know what's happening with Stellar. If you try to go to your course numbers like to link to 10.3 or 3.371 I can't even get anything off those, but if you go to 3s171 you guys are now authorized. Most of you can see on this Stellar page, yeah it looks like we were ganged into a group. If you're registered for it just click on like you have.

p6 05:54

Okay so my secretary's been working on this open access way. This is the same way the registrar can't pick up our numbers. People like to think of MIT as a technologically sophisticated school. We got to have a manual registration about ten years ago. All the other universities in the country were doing computerized registration, but MIT was still doing optional carbon paper. It's like that 10 years registrars, we have a registrar who is not using some of the resources available. Anyway, so nickel-based and nickel alloys. The problem with nickel alloys is they're expensive. You're talking around, I don't remember my numbers, what they're, just $6.50 a pound for nickel okay just as a metal. And we use commercially pure nickel for some situations, but like most pure metals it doesn't have a very high strength. So we can strengthen it by adding copper, molybdenum or iron, or chrome and iron. Well nickel-chrome-iron is like saying stainless steel, except instead of eighteen percent chrome eight percent nickel and seventy two percent iron, it's got seventy-two percent nickel and eight percent iron okay. We just switched the iron-nickel ratios. And then nickel-chrome-moly tensions and nickel-iron-chrome-moly alloys, and the cobalt alloys.

p7 07:20

These things have been around for 100 years. There was a guy Elwood Haynes who was from Indiana, and he was interested in terms of bicycles. He started making some of these alloys, and they were better than the stainless steel okay. They were a little pricey certainly in these elements, but they did have better corrosion resistance. So we tend to use these in all kinds of applications. And the alloys haven't changed a whole lot in the last forty years or 60 years, because they're not used in huge items. There's not a huge market out there to improve these things. Until people started learning how to weld zirconium, because we were kind of welding titanium. Zirconium, if you look at the periodic table they're right below each other. There's titanium, there's zirconium. Zirconium is the cladding on your reactors because boron is a poison. Zirconium has a lower neutron cross-section, remember it's very, well, hafnium will follow that. You're going to make this zirconium really pure, has a little bit of hafnium important that's hafnium. Okay, in terms of, hafnium is a poison for neutrons just like boron. But anyway we did a lot more welding on titanium from the 1950s and stuff. It wasn't really until the 1980s or 1990s really, from the titanium we learned how to process zirconium.

p8 09:01

And so people always used a nickel-molybdenum alloy okay for the reactor vessels for making acetic acid. And acetic acid is the highest volume chemical, organic acids. They make acetate films and make all kinds of plastics. We make pharmaceuticals. It's just a raw material like wood or steel okay. The most, the largest inorganic acid sulfuric acid, almost all the gasoline has to go through a sulfuric acid catalyst and things. So anyway, about the only thing that is corrosion resistant to the acetic acid in the manufacture of acetic acid was this nickel-moly alloy. There's nothing special about the alloys, the Monels were really just nickel-copper alloys. Yeah they changed a little bit but about the same as they were 60 years ago. There's not a lot of sophistication okay that there is in the aluminum, or be certain there isn't in steel.

p9 10:13

But then you get over here to the precipitation strengthened. And these alloys have titanium or aluminum, which forms intermetallics, very high melting intermetallics. Nickel-tri-aluminum melts at like 2003 centigrade. Nickel melts at like fifteen or sixteen hundred centigrade. The alloy can have tremendous high tensile strength. These are the workhorse alloys for generations of jet turbines, okay. So lots of sophisticated precipitation strengthened, not very weldable, but in general we don't weld driven place okay. We could weld them but they're not very much you can do. Some repairs on, but these things you live with the simple, you know, eight-year-old energy that we do well with all the time. There are some special things that we don't have to worry about intermetallics. That's sort of a research project over at Oak Ridge National Lab and they get tens of millions of dollars over there for turbine compression turbine stuff. And then ODS, oxide dispersion strengthened, that's where you have very fine oxide inclusions for strengthening things.

p10 11:30

So if you go through your Lippold's book, he'll tell you which alloys go with what. This gamma prime is the nickel-aluminum-titanium phase, intermetallic phase, and if you get that as a precipitant you can get very good high creep strength. This stuff doesn't dissolve until about 1,200 degrees centigrade in an alloy that melts at around 1350 centigrade okay. So it maintains its specificity to very high temperatures. Nickel-three-niobium is gamma double prime. So similar type of high melting, but if we've got, you have gamma prime to niobium and the titanium, see you're more, much more weldable. People prefer Inconel 718 because just stay away from gamma prime, very difficult to weld without cracking, okay. And then they throw in all these other things as carbide formers. And these you have to worry about, well you can get higher creep strength from these superalloys for jet turbines by creating some of these different phases — the sigma phase, the mu phase, Laves phase. They call topologically close-packed phases. And these are some of the alloying elements that promote that. Some of these can be very brittle. In stainless steel the sigma phase can embrittle the steel. And then you put chromium aluminum, those are the oxide forming, increase your strength.

p11 13:00

So we go back to our alloys. The nickel alloys are used for corrosion resistance, primarily solid solution, and high-temperature strength. And very, by contrast, these are our workhorse materials for very high temperature processes where we get above the stainless steel, which is let's say 600 degrees C is the size you want to a stainless steel, and you can get up to a thousand seen some of these, even 100 in some cases okay. The problem with, one of the problems with these type of alloys the Navy uses like the Monels, they are the model system in the laboratory for developing solidification cracking, okay. If you want to study solidification cracking, you won't find a better system than nickel-copper alloys okay. And it has to do with the grain structure of welding. If you make a very deep weld and you don't have, or you have something that has sort of elliptical shape, your last part to solidify will be this up in here. You get rejection and solute. You have to make sure the field welds are the right shape. If you have a concave shape, you have such a slope, it will be like this, a formal Nestle crack, okay.

p12 14:26

If you look at the microstructure of these things, this is what happens okay. Basically this up is it shrinks, it's sort of this score p-type material okay. It's done liquid boundary, you saw these solid dendrites. And think of the solid dendrites as the ice crystals in the [unclear] is the circle syrup okay in there. Anything when it as it shrinks on solidification, you end up with these nice little cracks soft, okay. So now sometimes some of that liquid, sometimes you have to squeeze on it or something, you actually can squeeze some of that liquid into the cracks and they call this self-healing. But it's still a weak spot here material okay. Maybe it's not a real crack but it's still a weakness.

p13 15:18

Now turns out the only thing I've ever, the only spec I've ever seen, and I had to try to qualify this for a company back, I told you I done for five years I did hundreds of failure analyses for this consulting engineering firm down south in here. And it turns out there is a company in eastern Massachusetts that was making some white truck piping welds for Navy reactors okay. And it was in these nickel-based alloys, and they're so prone to cracking, that Bettis, Westinghouse Bettis, which is one of the Navy still has a thing, the two labs for the materials and design, in General Electric KAPL [Knolls Atomic Power Lab] and Westinghouse Bettis. They've been downsized a lot since you designed the reactors in the 50s and 60s, but they still exist. It's one of the two areas of the government where you still have competing labs, okay. Which is an expensive way to go.

p14 16:27

Okay, I said, I have competing labs. But in any case they had this, you could make this electron beam weld. This is about a half-inch thick material, I don't know what part of the reactor was, all I got was test samples. But they've got two electron beam welders here in eastern Massachusetts, a lot of electron beam welding shops in New England compared to other parts of the country because of, the first electron beam welder was done down by Pratt & Whitney in Connecticut, General Electric plant, was for the aerospace industry, and a bunch of European companies came over, those experts in electron beam kind of came over into Connecticut or Massachusetts or whatever, and they're still here. The electron beam welding little mom and pop shops, they're still around here. In fact one of the earliest ones was started by, well one of my, terms of welding professors at MIT was go back historically, it's me think about further, Koichi Masubuchi knows that smell, atoms in the 60s started electron beam on job fair and warmer, okay. It's just consulting business.

p15 17:35

Anyway, so they make these welds, and they had to magnetically spin the beam to get a sharper, the wider weld, but then they had to overlap it by thirty percent, that make another weld right next to it, and they had to do this without any cracks more than about a millimeter in size. Well, way to say, this is the first spec and the only spec I've ever seen in welding where cracks are allowed, okay. But they had to be smaller than about a millimeter because obviously they needed a salary for corrosion resistance. They found they couldn't weld it without cracks and so they went back and they did the fracture mechanics and says okay, the cracks are no bigger than we could live with the life of this thing okay.

p16 18:25

Those guys tried to qualify those welds. I was getting samples for six months. They kept on sending samples, they were spent a fortune, they couldn't get their beams operating precisely. I kept on failing, and have a choice, they were failing the spec. I don't know what they thought I did, but the different emails about new consultants, I house, I was just a bit longer for here guys. I mean they wouldn't talk, because it was, I, you know, I was going to have security clearance for, you'd have to tell me what they were doing or how they were doing, is aiming you do get these kind of solidification cracking them into place at home okay, take her all the time.

p17 19:07

And so Lippold came out, he did thesis at RPI, and the big name there was Warren Savage. And in welding he was the top guy in 1970s in welding in the country. And he developed lots of cracking tests. And this is one called the transverse strength test. You take a gas tungsten arc torch, you lay a weld bead on your material, and then while you're welding you just deform it, it's in place. So now you're putting a big strain on it while solidifying, and then you go along, can you look for cracks, and you find them okay. You find how they form, you find the microstructure with us testing process okay.

p18 19:57

So we know how to design the alloys. They were designed, his alloys in the 50s and 60s, and Savage was doing his research in the 60s and 70s for the high, all these companies that are making these alloys try to improve them. You get cracks, some sort of, you make a big enough weld, if you're going to have some cracks. And the question was how did you get enough cracks so that you could find out which are the most resistant things. And so I think I told you that when I started in this business, most of the muscle welders thought the only way you saw welding problem is welding metallurgy. I talked to the mass loss statement of feeling. The only tool you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail. And so I remember sitting in my first office hearing 137 first arrows here saying, what I want to compete with those half dozen, a dozen Warren Savage students who have all been brought up on welding metallurgy. If I'm going to be welding I'm going to do something else. So I chose welding processes, the physical chemistry and the process. And so you still see in Lippold's three books are a good example of, everything is welding metallurgy.

p19 21:13

In our, we're not in our, but NAVSEA tells you guys take a welding metallurgy course. I don't tell you take a welding course in touch, take a welding metallurgy course. Oh guys it's not me when we install the problem. In fact we didn't learn to solve one of these problems. I told you that, there's sort of not problems anymore. After 50 years we know how to control the metallurgy and the composition of these things so that we don't have these problems we had when whether they are developing hours. The problems today are more process problems, like can you keep the moisture out of your shielding gas, or can they keep the loop off the wires, things like that. And we're having the same problems that we had in the 1930s with hydrogen cracking that still shows up okay, in various forms okay.

p20 22:06

So the other thing about the nickel-based alloys, this entity is out of one of those books, but he stole it from somebody else. Better, Anselm wrote a book on nickel-based superalloys before him. And this is not, well in fact this is an artist's conception microstructure okay. This would be increasing aluminum or titanium, and here you have nearly pure nickel, and over here you have a nickel-based superalloy like it's going to go on a jet engine turbine blade. And you start out with something that doesn't have anything except a few M23C6 carbides along the grain boundaries. These are similar to the carbides that cause the chromium carbide sensitization in stainless steels I talked about. You get grain boundary cracking at the grain, when you form these carbides. You get in nickel-based superalloys too, don't have to be an iron-based, you can be a nickel-based, so that's over here.

p21 23:03

As you move over and put more and more chrome and a little more titanium, you'll start getting MC carbides. So this is one metal in one for every carbon atom, and these MC carbides form at higher temperatures, they're sort of blocky. You start to get some of these gamma prime — this is as you're adding titanium really — you give some this gamma prime, they will three titanium, and you get a few of these. As you keep on increasing the concentration, your grain boundaries start getting more carbides, and you get more and more of these gamma prime precipitates. You get over here to even higher concentrations and all of a sudden these gamma prime precipitates start to become kind of square rather than round. There's good crystallographic reasons for that. And you get to volume fractions of the nickel to the gamma prime phase that can be eighty-five percent intermetallic surrounded by some solid solution, and that's what gives you the really good strength okay, high temperatures.

p22 24:13

But you can also get modules and stuff and have the processes and have to forge them if they're not cast. And so the turbine disks and things you have to afford you the right way to break up some of these original solidification structures. Or if you don't start with a great new casting, you can do with the air force the start. If you spray these alloys into fine powder, solidified it that way so you didn't get these big coarse blocky carbides, intermetallics this up, and you don't have to bring them down by forging, but you basically take those powders and now you consolidate the powders which are already fine grain, okay. You get a more uniform start without some of these big blocky ugly things. You still have, you still want the blocky gamma prime precipitates okay. But you know what these regions, you put your segregation of different alloying elements during solidification. So there's a whole problem of you don't really like casting to started right away because it gives you big blocky, you know, kind of like raisins in plum pudding or raisin bread, you want, what those raisins, you want occurrence okay, small things fine, finer grain. And if you make it by powder metallurgy you can hopefully get more uniform or homogeneous and get even higher properties.

p23 25:33

Student: Yeah, that's a weakness, I mean those, thing about this, thing about how, again, these which is always pushes your, explain how a submarine really have a, not high treat but better treat this, like she does right? So we need to reconcile that, but seem to be to put idea is good, like the whole of a submarine is rated for a certain period of time right? And so the implication is that no good, Zeke trust or something over Connor, you know when it's out, but the same time going, you kind of make sure which are stronger, it alleviates a lot of stress on it by retaining one of those circles, the stretch circle, okay, going deep gets rid—

p24 26:11

I've never got my three interacting circles — the metallurgy circle and the microstructure circle is one, and there's only so much I can do after I've made my material okay. Then there's the stress circle. If I relieve the residual stresses or shrink talent, if I keep it nice and clean my environment, don't let hydrogen get in there, I relieve that, or if I don't let boric acid get up in there okay. You know, if I keep the system clean by my process or by putting hydrazine in on shut down, okay, to get the oxygen out of the water, I shrink that circle, the microstructure, the metallurgy. I mean actually a good point of, you can't solve all the problems in the metallurgy circle okay. Some we have to solve in the mechanical behavior circle which is residual stresses. Some we have to solve in the corrosion circle which is in the environment, right? You want to think of it that way. When General Electric had their big stress corrosion cracking problem, they worked on all three circles okay. One of my problems with most of the philosophy of welding in this country right now, everything's in the metallurgist's circle. Well you don't solve it just looking in one area, right? You tackle problem, you'd attack every area okay. So that is your question.

p25 27:30

Student: I don't, forget not exactly I guess, plural question was submerged and strengthen their whole, but also over time their hole is not fail right? So what is it like physics and flog brittle fracture we're hoping or afraid of, and what is that now?

p26 27:47

You can call me of submarines, kill you're not a surface ship. You might excursion and thinning. Okay this is then some reseal and that stuff, that hull would last a lot longer. It's all those other components inside, some curious look good. We have this Los Angeles that you know, they wanted to extend the lifespan linear for you. So Hummer with you, I said they look at the hull and the house, that's all occurred. When you talk about this, and obviously there's some kind of, but it seems like the whole, especially after you pressure harden, and really your hand up by, it's gonna last you as long as you're preventing was the baby of particulars about that, it's in last forever, so that's really not a living opponent.

p27 28:31

Well that's assuming you never cut through that hull in the previous 30 years. But I remember seeing a picture of the Patrick Henderson back in 1988, and it looked like a patchwork quilt right, of all the penetrations. If you just built your hull and never touched it for the next 30 years, it will last for another, that hull last for another 30 years or a hundred years as long as you don't, you keep your zincs on, or your cathodic protection. But when do you start going and starting welding other things on it, no longer has that 30 foot diameter circle or 20 foot diameter circle accurate to how many millimeters of the diameter okay. Not very many right? That's a pretty perfect circle. Once I've got, be 30 years old, I've done so many people that thing won't have the same depth capability because it's no longer, it's an external systems stupid song, and it's now no longer a cylinder, sort of a funky cylinder right. So it may be things like that. I bet they had when they did it they were measuring diameters at different positions and there was kind of a, is this hull worth saving? But it's not from corrosion or metallurgy of the hull, it's from the structure, the geometry of the hull okay.

p28 29:54

If we're, if it failed in the hull, most the ships, Sealift ships, Coast Guard ships, they throw away to nothing pretty much okay. They're going together by paint to the end okay. But the Navy ships, it's not really the hull, it's all the components inside. And they, you're advancing the technology so rapidly that they want to build a new ship. Who wants the old ship right? So no one wants you, don't want to be assigned to a 50 year old. That's the Coast Guard, they're going to do that. You go to Coast Guard. Okay we gotta stop. Crying over.