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Welding Metallurgy Summer 2015 Session · 8 sections 20 cases · Watch on YouTube ↗ all files
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§1. Course structure and module selection [00:02]

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You're supposed to take a welding course. If you look at what the course catalog puts in there, it's welding metallurgy. Like I've told you a couple times, if the only tool you have is a hammer, you see everything as a nail. The welding people at TAC historically, many of them came out of Lehigh or Rensselaer Polytechnic, or some midwestern schools, Ohio. John Appel was at Lehigh, and a couple of us in welding metallurgy have been working a bit beyond those subjects.

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I decided in my first year as a faculty member that I wasn't going to compete with all those high-powered welding metallurgists out there. I was going to work on welding physics and chemistry and processes. And I felt my own courses, which were solid-state diffusion — for a number of years that was Navy officers — instead of welding metallurgy. Then Professor Massa, who had been teaching welding, was in ocean engineering, and he helped build submarines in Japan during World War Two. His expertise was building real ships.

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So it evolved. If you go back and look — Summer 2013, Summer 2014, and further back, you'll find I taught solid-state welding in Summer 2012. It was sort of agreed that that's what you guys would take. But you have the same choice. You might be interested in materials selection, or codes and standards. In fact, I think it would be better, with ten of you, to pick five different things, take two of them, and then you can get together and talk about it.

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None of this is going to turn you into a corrosion expert or a welding expert. You're going to be managers some day. You need to know enough to be dangerous, okay, and ask the people who are responsible some tough questions.

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So I don't care which ones you take. But you are supposed to take two more modules. There are the YouTube videos from this list, and I would encourage you — even though you're getting excited about your math courses now because they have quizzes — to start watching these things. You can take tomorrow off, you can take next week off, but after the fourth, start watching. Don't put it all the way up to August. Don't procrastinate. All you have to do is watch it. One student told me he used to watch it while his wife was fixing dinner, like the evening news. That's not going to be good.

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Seriously, I keep telling you you're supposed to take this and that, but I don't care what you think. And that's a story too. When Apple computers first came out, you had the ability to change the little buzzer or click you hear when you hit the wrong key. You could record some message. So one of my graduate students showed me how to do it, and I recorded "who cares?" as one of the alerts. Because that's what I always told my graduate students. They were all worried about things. So which course you take, you pick.

§2. Hydrogen porosity in aluminum and titanium welds [05:51]

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One of the things you should know about aluminum is that aluminum, just like steel and most metals in the molten state, will dissolve lots of hydrogen. But it doesn't do the same thing as hydrogen embrittlement in steel, because it's face-centered cubic. Face-centered cubic metals can store lots of hydrogen. But in the liquid state, you've got ten times the solubility limit. When it solidifies at 1220 degrees Fahrenheit, the more moisture in the air, the more hydrogen, and it comes out as bubbles on solidification.

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There's an ASTM standard for aluminum castings and aluminum welds — they have reference radiographs. They'll have eight different radiographs. These are x-rays of welds. This would be an eight, this would be a one, this might be a three in terms of the severity scale, and that's how you do it — a visual comparison. So I'd say this is between a four and a five. Usually for high-quality aircraft-quality aluminum castings or high-quality welding, it must be class two or less. You never have aluminum castings that don't have a little bit of porosity.

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In fact, you don't have titanium welds that don't have a little bit of porosity. Some of these things can be ten thousandths of an inch, and that's the Boeing story I'm going to tell you about. When Boeing was coming out with the 747-400 — this is the extended range, lighten the weight, increase the fuel capacity, an extra thousand miles, because at that point they were at eight or nine thousand miles, and you'd like to have 11,500, which is the mileage on a great circle from the two largest cities, the greatest distance on a great circle for major cities of the world. Kind of like going from New York to Sydney, Australia. There are only a couple of routes. You'd like to be able to supply that distance, and of course you have a little safety factor in case you get weather.

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So they were trying to lightweight it. There's ozone up there, and if you breathe ozone, you get a headache. It's also considered a carcinogen. So they have catalytic converters for the air coming into the cabin, to get rid of the ozone. They were using stainless steel ductwork, but they were switching to titanium. And they called me from Engelhard in New Jersey, the contractor — it was about to hold up the whole plane. This was getting to be the critical path for rolling out the 747-400. Engelhard was going to be the supplier.

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I didn't have time — I was gone for two weeks — and they had porosity from hydrogen. The same thing. I said, look, all you have to do is clean it really well, and don't use acetone. Most commercial-grade acetone leaves a little oil residue — you need to use reagent grade. I got the exact same story up at General Electric Lynn, where they were welding seventy-thousand-dollar titanium compressor parts by electron beam welding. I got the same story twice, several years apart. Get some reagent grade acetone, clean it right before you weld, and you'll be fine.

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They tried to do it and they couldn't. The Boeing spec was that they could not tolerate any porosity, a single pore greater than ten thousandths of an inch. But a four pore is not going to cause the thing to fail. You do the fracture mechanics on it. It's not going to cause a brittle fracture. This thing doesn't have any stress on it. It's just ductwork. We've got 14 psi on this.

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So they called me back. I said I'd be down in New Jersey for something else, and I'd come by. I came by at six o'clock, they walked me through it, I showed them how to clean it, and I left. Their next four welds were defect-free. They were all delighted, called me up. Then they called me back: "I think we're back to our same failure rate." I said, guys, did you follow the cleaning procedures I showed you? They'd already fallen off the procedures. They went back to cleaning properly and they finally got it out.

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Exact same thing up here on great big seventy-thousand-dollar compressor parts. It was an old engine — I was told I would research for General Electric at the time, and the guys said, "Tom, can you help us out?" I said sure, get some reagent grade acetone, because if you leave a little oil film on there, that's where hydrogen comes from. He said, by the way, this is an old engine, we don't have any development money, can you do it for free? I go up there and spend a half a morning. There were 17 managers and engineers from General Electric watching me do the inspection, as the technician cleaned the surfaces to prep them for putting in the electron beam chamber.

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After he cleaned it, I noticed he wasn't using reagent grade acetone. I got down with a 10x magnifier, and I went back over the area he'd just cleaned, and I noticed white specks that weren't there 60 seconds before. I said, guys, this room is raining dust, white dust on here. The technician would already have put it together into the chamber. At that point, all the engineers and managers figured I was just a buffoon and quit paying attention to me. I went over to a glass slide on a bench, cleaned it as well as I could, took some of the acetone they had in an old squeeze bottle, squirted it on, let it evaporate, held it up, and you could see the rings of color from the residue.

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Anyway, I told him six weeks ago to get some reagent grade acetone. He got some reagent grade acetone, the next three or four parts they welded, no problem. He called me up and told me, by using reagent grade acetone — which I told him for free six weeks before — he solved the problem, and he got a letter of commendation. I said, I didn't even get a letter, and I did it for free. So you get porosity from hydrogen in titanium. That's the Boeing inspector story — they over-specify the system. But there are some specs you have to meet.

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In fact, I have a student at Caterpillar, and he's been told to come up with a new physical inspection technique to inspect filler welds. Everybody's already taken all of the electromagnetic spectrum and the mechanical wave frequency spectrum to do inspection of welds. But he's supposed to find some new physical thing. They emailed me this week — he went out to operations and talked to this manager, and she said she didn't really want a new inspection technique, because it would be a new specification that she would have to meet. That happened to me 30 years ago at Electric Boat. I had a better way to inspect welds, and they threw me out of the shipyard practically, because the last thing they wanted was a new criterion they had to meet.

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So how bad is porosity in aluminum? Here's tensile strength versus amount of porosity. This is 7039, the aerospace alloy. You lose some strength pretty much linearly, up to thirty percent. The elongation goes down because each one of these pores is a fracture site. But in fact, you can tolerate five percent porosity. It's not a big deal.

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Student: Is that the summation of all the bubbles, or is it the largest one as a volume fraction?

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They're all going to be small, because they form on solidification. You saw a variation by a factor of three or five in size — some of that is projection. They might vary by a factor of three to five, but they're all sub-millimeter size. So in general, porosity is not that big a deal.

§3. Titanium metallurgy and Watertown Arsenal [18:04]

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Titanium is of interest because it has excellent corrosion resistance and it's lightweight. In fact, it's immensely expensive to fabricate. Titanium has no phase transformation like steel — well, it does have phase transformation, body-centered cubic at high temperature, hexagonal close-packed at low — alpha and beta. Sometimes you add an alloying element such as aluminum, oxygen, nitrogen, or carbon, and you raise the alpha stability. If you add vanadium, molybdenum, niobium, tantalum, you decrease it. These are called beta stabilizers; those are alpha stabilizers. Most of the time you want to make it neutral, so you throw in a little aluminum and vanadium. The workhorse alloy for titanium is Ti-6Al-4V. Just like 304 is the workhorse for stainless steel, and 6061 for aluminum.

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If any of you have been to the Watertown Mall, which used to be the US Army's Watertown Arsenal, back in the days of the Civil War and even until about 15 years ago at the BRAC closing, the Army had a research reactor in this building. When they were in the first BRAC closing, they said, you can't close us, it will cost 50 million dollars to shut down the reactor and decontaminate the area. The DoD said, so what? They closed them, and now they've turned it into a mall. That's where Ti-6Al-4V was developed, at Watertown Arsenal, just after World War Two.

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Recently — I used to help them solve failure analyses over there, because they remembered me — I would stop by on the way home, some rocket motor case or something had failed, and help their failure analyst. I remember walking through the reactor areas, and it wasn't operating. I remember when they were starting to clean it up, they had one-meter grid lines everywhere, because they had to take samples square meter by square meter. I'd been walking through there.

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If you look at the composition and metallurgy of titanium alloys, they fall in three groups for three different industries. The first group is commercially pure, unalloyed titanium. Some of the grades have a little bit of palladium in them — a precious metal at gold prices, but only a quarter percent max — and these have excellent corrosion resistance in certain types of acids in chemical plants. Just a little bit of palladium significantly improves things. You've got these different grades which change their oxygen content. With more oxygen you get higher strength.

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Here's a plot of the unalloyed grades — yield strength in ksi, 25, 40, 55, 70. It's increasing directly with the oxygen content, just like carbon in steel. Oxygen hardens titanium. So oxygen is an alloying element, particularly for the commercially pure grades, which are usually used as sheet, or tubes for heat exchangers and things like that. We were talking about schedule 10 titanium piping — it's pretty thin stuff. It's thin because you're trying to save money. The alloyed grades might be thirty dollars a pound, the commercially pure stuff costs less per pound after you roll it into plate.

§4. Sea Cliff, Alvin, and the heavy-section titanium problem [23:37]

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If you get down to the alpha and near-alpha alloys, this is where Ti-6Al-4V sits, around 120 ksi tensile. The Navy's alloy is Ti-100, just like HY-100 or HY-80 or HY-130. The Navy's alloy is Ti-6Al-2Nb-1Ta — six aluminum, two niobium, one tantalum. Rather than vanadium, they use that combination. It's about 100 ksi strength. It's called Ti-100. It's lower strength than the 6-4 that's the aerospace alloy.

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These are heavy forgings and plates. The Sea Cliff was built out of Ti-100. They prototype larger things first — they start making little laboratory specimens the size of a notebook, test those for properties, and then do a prototype development. The Alvin, the original Alvin research submarine, was made with a steel hull, a high-strength steel — HY-80 or HY-130 — because it was back in the '60s. By the early '70s, they switched and built the new Alvin with Ti-6-4. They just got rid of the old Alvin and built a new one — the same titanium hull was used for about 40 years. The new hull is also titanium.

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In about 1980 or so, they built the Sea Cliff, which was a little bit larger. You can actually stand up in it. Alvin was about a 7-foot sphere, and the Sea Cliff was 8-foot diameter. Draper Lab had one a few years ago — they had to build two of them, and these were actually hot-dog-shaped subs, not spheres. They were going to make them out of titanium, quarter-inch, four feet diameter. They were autonomous vehicles.

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They came to me — Draper hired me — and as I remember, on DoD rates they paid me fifty dollars an hour. They were on a rapid prototyping schedule. This was the early-to-mid '90s. After the first Gulf War, rapid prototyping was a big thing, because they had certain equipment they needed in order to fight, and they arrived for the first war. One of the reasons they waited six months in Desert Shield was because they were trying to get these new systems for desert fighting operational. So they had a big program in DARPA. They were rapid-prototyping two autonomous 4-foot-diameter subs, I think 50 feet long. I didn't know anything about the mission, but it was public knowledge they were building these subs. If they're quarter-inch, you can probably figure out how deep it would go. I never had any idea what the mission was.

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We ended up building them in aerospace. We went down to Pratt & Whitney, places like that, where they're building titanium parts for big-diameter jet engines. They basically used aerospace fabrication facilities to make the titanium for those prototypes.

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The Sea Cliff — one of the things they wanted to do was weld heavy-section titanium for the Sea Cliff, around two inches, maybe two and a quarter inches thick. It was supposed to go to 6,000 meters or even deeper. That's a fair part of the ocean. They were building at Mare Island, and they were trying to use gas metal arc welding, which is what David Taylor in Annapolis had been working on for years — gas metal arc with a wire feed. They couldn't do it, and they finally gave up and went back to what we call hot wire TIG. That's how they're building it.

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The difference is, hot wire TIG is two pounds an hour deposition rate, really slow. Gas metal arc is 10 pounds an hour, five times the productivity. But they couldn't do it.

§5. The Soviet program and the Gurevich book [29:30]

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One of the problems in the titanium business is that it's not a big enough industry to sustain its own rolling and melting facilities. They borrow time, rent time on a steel mill — they go in one day in a steel mill to roll the titanium they need for a month. They can't afford a half-a-billion-dollar rolling mill. They have to go roll in a dirty little steel mill, which creates its own problems. We never had a big titanium industry. The Soviets did. And the Soviets built the Alpha subs.

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The first time I ever went abroad was 1979. I first read about the Alpha subs on the front page of the International Herald Tribune flying back from Europe. That was either '79 or '80. My first research contract at MIT, almost 13 months to the day after I started as an assistant professor, was to do submerged arc welding of titanium for the Navy. These are some of those welds we made in the late '70s, submerged arc welding titanium, one pass. [Tom passes samples around.] This isn't too bad-looking — it has lousy contact angle, instead of 90 degrees, that just kind of blends in. This is another one with different fluxes, was all rubble.

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It turns out the Soviets had been publishing work — a guy named Gurevich. [Tom holds up the book.] Here's Gurevich's book. I can't read Russian or Ukrainian. He was at the Paton Welding Institute in the Soviet Union, in the Ukrainian capital. In April 1980, the US Air Force translated that book, Metallurgy and Technology of Welding Titanium. It became my bible. It has a nice little letter on the inside from Boris Movchan, who was one of the top five scientists — "we're glad to send you the book of Metallurgy of Welding Titanium." I still get Christmas cards from Movchan. They're nice people.

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Jimmy Carter, President Carter, had an exchange program with the Soviets. Besides them coming to MIT and RPI, the guy who ran the whole program with a professor in this department, Nick Grant — he had set it up with the National Science Foundation for the whole country. The first time, 30 American scientists went over to the Paton Institute. The next time they had an exchange, I think eight went. And the next time, two. This was 1980. President Reagan was trying to shut this down. Carter had reached out, and Reagan didn't see any value in cooperating with the Soviets. I was one of those two people. I was still an untenured professor, but Julius Szekely, who has now passed away, was in this department. He still had an NSF contract, and the State Department was sponsoring it. He wanted someone to go with him.

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I can give a lecture about being followed constantly by the KGB — about 40 people followed us. But I got to talk to Gurevich, who'd been publishing all this stuff in the 1960s. In about 1972, all of a sudden, he quit publishing. That was when they decided to build the Alpha submarine. All the work would be done — I estimate, if you converted it to US dollars in 1972, the work he did from the '60s to the early '70s was probably a hundred million dollars of research on welding titanium. More than we ever spent. But he did it.

§6. Submerged arc, electroslag, and semi-submerged arc welding [34:31]

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We had determined that we should be using submerged arc welding. Submerged arc welding is used for steel all the time. Big line pipe like the Alaskan pipeline was done by submerged arc. You have two plates, an inch thick, two inches thick, whatever, and you essentially feed in granular flux that looks sort of like sand. A wire feeds in, submerged underneath the flux of sand. You have an arc right there and you'll be standing next to it with no shielding, because it's all under the sand. It's a very special sand — like the coatings on these electrodes but in granular form. The process was developed in the United States about 1936. There's a letter from Churchill to FDR at the beginning of World War Two about a welding process — it was the Union Carbide Unionmelt process developed in 1936. This was one of the ways we built ships.

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Tremendous advantage — you can lay down 30 pounds an hour, not two or four pounds an hour, but 30 pounds an hour. Very seductive. Only works in horizontal position in big welds. So we figured this would be a way to build a heavy-section titanium submarine. That was my first research contract, to develop the fluxes. If you go through the Gurevich book, half this book is on how to make the fluxes. I ended up using optical-quality calcium chloride crystals that I was buying for a hundred dollars a pound, and crushing them up. [Tom passes a sample.] I was crushing them up into a sand and welding underneath. This is optical-grade calcium chloride, 8 to 12 mesh. It had 0.14% oxygen, 0.015% nitrogen — very good chemistry.

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In fact, if you use optical-quality calcium chloride, you can actually refine the oxygen out of the weld pool. My first student ever, John Galata, who ended up an engineer at Electric Boat — that was his bachelor's thesis. He made those welds. We very quickly learned that you couldn't afford it. It was going to cost about $300 a foot of weld, just for the flux. That didn't sound very good.

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About the same time, we started learning about the Soviets' sub. They had funded conferences — they weren't classified, but they couldn't get the clearances through quick enough. We went down to David Taylor in Annapolis. The Navy was not happy. The Soviets had put a dog in space before we ever got any living creature up there. That created a big awareness and increased the research funding. The Navy was unhappy that the Soviets had leapfrogged us in submarine technology. So we were having conferences right here.

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I was at one of these conferences, David Taylor, listening to other people's presentations and thinking back about papers, the background on Gurevich. All of a sudden, on about the second day of a three-day conference — Gurevich, in '79, had published a lot of work on electroslag. This is a welding process that had been perfected back in World War Two for steel at the Paton Institute by Paton's father — Boris Paton's father — who was a hero of the Soviet Union. You've seen his pictures, because he used to weld the Soviet tanks back together to get them back to the Russian front. He had created a lot of welding technology, successfully welding the armor steels in World War Two — they didn't have enough tanks to keep the Germans away.

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You have water-cooled copper dams. You set two vertical plates — these things weld vertically — and instead of gas metal arc, you basically put thick plates in, anywhere from one to six inches thick. You feed a wire in, and you put some flux in the bottom. So now you're using half a pound of flux, where you might use 10 pounds of flux for submerged arc. I can afford 15 or 30 dollars of flux and make a weld 20 feet tall on the same batch of flux, in principle.

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I didn't have Gurevich's book at the time, but I realized this would be a very efficient process. They had certainly spent lots of time and money on it. This was the flux-shielded process we never even thought about, because electroslag on steel sort of has a problem. Turns out it's a great process for titanium. [Tom hands out a sample.] This is a titanium electroslag weld, 2-inch-thick plate. The weld between the two-inch-thick plates, no distortion. It can only be made in the vertical direction. The first titanium electroslag welds made in the free world were made in the room right next door. It was terrible — no fusion — but we made it. I came back to the conference and showed it. Boy, you can really lay down titanium metal in these flexes very quickly.

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At that point, the Navy said, you can't work on it anymore. And they sent it out to Oregon Graduate Center with — what's-his-name, used to be at the University of Tennessee. So electroslag — you've got two plates, this is the side walls, you've got a molten flux, a liquid, you've got a wire coming in, and you have a metal pool that floats underneath, okay. So it's not an arc weld — you're resistively heating through the resistive flux. The flux has a certain electrical resistance. The wire feeds in, it melts and develops the weld, melting through. You're just barely making fusion to the side walls. At the end, you could take a hammer, hit it — you might knock the plate apart, because you're just barely fusing the sidewalls.

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We learned that was one of the ways. I shouldn't tell you too much about how I know, but I've had to use a security clearance previously. They did get some foreign technology. I went down to David Taylor afterward, and I had — I won't say how you can get something that they had — someone basically robbed a scrapyard, a shipyard. This is 30 years ago, 35 years ago, so I don't mind telling you that much. But they had the technology. They had welds, and I came down to look at them, and a lot of them were electroslag welds.

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Then they had some other welds made by a process that Gurevich had also published on, back in the early '70s. We called it deep TIG — in Russian it was "shielded inert gas heating," and when translated into English it was always called semi-submerged arc weld. It wasn't really submerged arc like the one I showed you, which is one of the things that confused the Soviet papers — they never give you all the details. Semi-submerged arc — Gurevich had found that if you put just a little painted layer, half a millimeter thick, on the top surface of a piece of titanium, and you use a gas tungsten arc torch, with the flux, you can get a deep weld. Whereas if you have no flux there, you get a very shallow weld. [Tom passes a sample.] This was made in our lab with flux shielding on this one. This is 30-year-old technology.

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Okay, this weld on this side was made with TIG that had a flux on the surface. [Tom indicates the sample.] That's the fusion line. This weld was made with TIG with no flux, and you got a big heat-affected zone but only a shallow penetration. Exact same welding parameters — same current, volts, travel speed. What happens? There was a lot of research done on this for stainless steels in the early '70s. You have a change in your convection patterns when the weld pool cools. Regular TIG has a weld pool that's very shallow, the circulation pattern looks like that — hot metal comes up, the hottest metal underneath the arc gets carried off to the side, and that widens the weld pool. You don't get a lot of penetration.

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When you put the flux there, you get — there's research from 18th-century surface tension driven flow. You change the surface tension of the metal, and all of a sudden the convection takes the hot stuff right under the arc and pushes it down to the bottom, and you get a much deeper weld. This became a big area of research. A guy at the National Physical Lab, Ken Mills, published a 12-page paper saying he thought this was why these things — not in titanium but in stainless steels — were changing the shape of the weld pools. People started doing — they're doing research on this in the '70s, less about titanium. I was interested, but I hadn't applied it to titanium until after the Alpha sub stuff, when we were trying to figure out how they built that.

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There was getting to be lots of research in this. Professor Szekely and I, in 1983, wrote a paper where we did some computer modeling of the convection flows in weld pools, and we won an award for our paper. We were the first people to model that. The next 15 years, everybody in the world who had a computer and didn't know how to do an experiment but could run a finite element program was doing bigger and better finite elements of convection in weld pools, and didn't improve anything we hadn't proved. Ken Mills did the first hypothesis. We did the calculations to show it. But in fact, this is what happens — when you put a very thin paint layer, only twenty-thousandths-of-an-inch thick, it's kind of like welding through paint, and you get a very deep penetration.

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Then Ohio State University, which became one of the big welding schools — they had a welding engineering department — Lamar University in Louisiana, Texas, most people haven't heard of it, has a welding program, a four-year welding engineering program. But Ohio State started doing a lot of stuff on this. I decided not to. It became too popular — I don't like to work on popular things. There's a lot of smart competition out there. So I would walk away from things like that. You work on something else when no one else is working — it's a lot easier to make a big impression when there's no competition.

§7. Putting it together: how the Soviets built the Alpha [48:22]

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If you were trying to weld a piece of 2-inch-thick titanium in the flat position, in a shipyard, what you might do is a joint prep like this — two plates, put some little flecks of flux in here, use a tungsten electrode, six millimeters, a quarter-inch diameter, and a thousand amperes. You get a great big deep pool like that. Then you flip it over and weld another one like this, and you come along and you do a few weld passes. That's what I might do — it's the horizontal flat position, sort of like submerged arc, except it's not submerged beneath the flux, it's just blowing through the flux and changing the convection pattern.

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If I were a Soviet trying to design a sub with vertical welds by submerged arc and flat-position welds, I still have to have a few other welds. I have to build into the plate with gas tungsten arc, and the way you do that in some cases — this is my favorite picture. Here are guys inside of an argon-filled vacuum chamber, wearing oxygen masks, to do welding of titanium components in argon, because you cannot tolerate air contamination.

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At the Naval Air Rework Facility in 1968 in Norfolk, Virginia, they would have a glove bag — you put your hands in like a blood bank to repair the titanium disks. They used gas tungsten arc to repair, very slow. TIG welding of the Sea Cliff was how they did the whole thing, two inches thick, because they didn't have a better way. They wanted to do it by gas metal arc, which is like submerged arc with the wire going in.

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But I had a chance in 1980 — as one of the two people who went over with Szekely. I told them I wanted to go to Kiev, and I wanted to talk to Gurevich. They were so eager to continue the exchange that Carter had set up — Reagan was now shutting it down — they granted us anything we wanted. I spent two hours with Gurevich, with a translator. He wasn't part of the system, he was just a scientist, and he'd been told to quit publishing in 1972 because "we're going to use the technology you've been working on, we're going to build something, and we never heard of him again outside the Soviet Union." He's a wonderful man. He told me anything I wanted to know.

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I had done enough work on it for a few years, I knew when he was telling me the truth. I asked him, well, how do you do gas metal arc? Translator in between, and at first he didn't — I had to ask the question about three times. No use. They had done lots of work — I'm guessing this is what David Taylor Annapolis had focused all their research money on, gas metal arc, because it was the most productive thing for steel. "If the only tool you have is a hammer, you see everything as a nail." It turns out we never saw any evidence that they actually used gas metal arc building anything.

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I had a couple students in the early '80s. I told you about Dan, who's in your program — eventually retired as Captain at Pearl Harbor. Dan did his master's thesis on, I think, high-speed movies, looking at the metal transfer, how little drops of metal melt off — the unstable processes that wouldn't work. Ten years later, that was retired between us. Hydrogen cracking, due to creep-fatigue interaction cracking — not hydrogen cracking, but the fact that the metal, if you put it under a constant compressive stress and then cycle it, you build broad cracks in the middle. So the metal itself, that's what you find out.

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The Naval Research Laboratory had been working for years, and at this three-day conference down in Annapolis, they were going to talk about how they solved the fatigue interaction. They didn't know. We found out a couple years later, the Soviets didn't know either. They may not have even known about this, because we can do a better scientific job on the fundamentals in many cases. NRL is a top-flight laboratory. GPS was developed at NRL.

§7.p8

Student: At a shipyard, they take such pains to make sure they're getting a good clean weld — they have a layer they're playing with, they flip it, they back-gouge it. They go through such pains.

§7.p9

Same thing here. They do anything they can to get rid of oxygen. They have to grind it. When you're doing Monel in a submarine shipyard, they basically have to grind off the top layer because you get nickel oxide. They have to grind the top surface of every weld, every pass. If you're doing piping that doesn't need beads, and if you're doing good TIG welding, they don't have to grind on piping. If you're doing heavy-section nickel-based alloys, submerged arc and things like that, grind off the top surface, then you don't have ten thousandths of that oxide layer on the surface — otherwise it's melted in and creates inclusions, dirties the weld.

§7.p10

We've done lots of details — you'll learn some of it. You'll learn when you take the solid-state and the fusion welding modules — those really get into the process business: why you use a liquid positive, why you use negative on this process, how fast can you go with laser, as opposed to the Navy spent millions, not 100 million, trying to figure out how to use lasers for high productivity on the ship. You may have some little laser welding cell the size of this room, welding components in some places. But you're not going to use them about the ways.

§8. Lasers, radiation, and armor penetration [56:13]

§8.p1

Student: [inaudible question about lasers]

§8.p2

Yeah, of course. But with the laser, you have to cordon off the whole area, you have to automate it, because the laser goes so fast with this high power density that no human can control it. You can't have a torch and aim the laser by hand, plus you have the reflected light. If you go to General Motors with a laser, it'll be orange. Boeing, they might be using a laser, it'll be a locked-out area. And there are interlocks — no one can go in the area while the laser's on. You've seen the laboratories around here — flashing lights, laser on, do not enter the room. It's sort of like taking x-rays at the shipyard — you've got to have 15 people standing watch to make sure some rat doesn't run in there. Maybe not a rat, maybe an employee, but nonetheless.

§8.p3

Student: I have a question — bear with me. Have you seen the movie I, Robot? There's a guy who's working in a robotics facility, and he goes in there to radiate these metal frames. I just always wondered — is that, do they actually harden things up with radiation? Is radiation ever used to harden something?

§8.p4

Well, radiation — a nuclear reactor hardens the steel vessel. You have to scrap it after 30 years because it's been embrittled. So yes, radiation will change the crystal — the location of vacancies and interstitials and the atoms in the crystal. But as far as hardening it, I don't know of something specifically hardening with radiation. We have used lasers — in fact, Ben Wilcox, back in the '60s, when he was working at Pratt, used high-powered pulse lasers. If you hit something hard enough you can actually blast it apart. You send stress waves of 300 ksi through the material, and you can stress-relieve. We did some of that in the '90s, trying to use laser stress relief. You blast it, do little pulses, and all you do is leave a little divot on the surface, which you can grind off, but you hit it so fast that you send a shockwave through the metal, and that shockwave is a mechanical stress.

§8.p5

Usually this order of heating with photons, the power density is 10^8 watts per square centimeter. A laser, electron beam, never goes above 10^6 to 10^7. You go up to 10^8, 10^9, you're hitting the material with heat so fast that it can't melt — it just sublimes off the surface. For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction, and you start getting to 10^8, 10^9, and you can knock missiles off course with the reaction of hitting them with a pulse laser beam. Lasers in space — they're not going to melt the warhead. They might blast a hole through it, which could mess up some of the control circuitry, but one of the things they do is knock it off course with the shockwave.

§8.p6

We didn't talk about this with armor. The Army can hit — suppose a tank round, it could be a 36-inch-long, three-quarter-inch-diameter rod with depleted uranium. They use it because the high density, but what penetrates is the kinetic energy. Kinetic energy penetrators, just like your rail guns. It actually sharpens itself as it's penetrating, and you can go through as much steel as the length of the shell. I've seen down at Aberdeen Proving Ground, 36 inches of steel penetrated, one shot.

§8.p7

I remember as a student, working over at Watertown Arsenal for the Army, they told me the story that in about 1984, '85, they perfected this so that there was no armor that couldn't be penetrated. They lined up three old tanks on the battlefield, and they had an artillery general — I don't know what stars he had — and they shot right through all six layers, through the side of all six tanks lined up. Apparently he tossed his cookies right there, because he was just afraid that some shoulder-mounted RPG was going to be able to wipe out his tanks. Well, within two years, the full thing flipped, so there was no armor — there was no munition that couldn't be defeated by the proper armor.

§8.p8

That's why they developed active armor. You basically have a surface of explosive on the outer part of your armor. Maybe your armor is two or three inches thick — it's got a quarter-inch layer of explosive. When the sabot round hits it — it's going four or five thousand feet per second, supersonic — it hits, and the explosive goes off, and sends a shockwave through that 36-inch penetrator. That shockwave, in addition to the force, shatters it. It's already got stresses of a couple hundred thousand psi in it, and you send another shockwave of a couple hundred thousand psi, it shatters it. They have high-speed movies, and you can see it breaks up into little pieces.

§8.p9

Student: [inaudible — about speed of sound?]

§8.p10

Yes, well, the speed of sound is 5,000 meters per second. You do the calculation. I used to think the Army was sort of backwards in technology compared to the Air Force and the Navy, but when I got on a couple of Army science boards and actually saw what they were doing — they don't advertise a lot. When you get into the weapons area and armor and penetrators, it's better than Star Wars. The Air Force has ideas — their guys are watching too much Sci-Fi, and I think they can make time travel work. The Army actually comes up with practical things. One of the things they did — how do you defeat active armor? You have a sabot round, the cap comes off, but you have two penetrators. The first penetrator goes in, yes, it's shattered, the other one falls through the hole. No more active armor.

§8.p11

Right now, one of the best armors is actually electromagnetic armor — just hanging wires off the side. The thing comes in, you set up magnetic fields. I can't remember exactly how it works. But I'll tell you the armor on the MRAPs — I can tell you what it's made out of. They have about six inches of, six pieces at three-quarter inch, glass. I can't tell you why it works — many of them can't tell you why it works — but they test it. That's an interesting story.

§8.p12

The Secretary of the Army — we were losing all kinds of soldiers after we took over Iraq, to the weapons of mass destruction. We went there to get weapons of mass destruction, but they couldn't find them — they found IEDs. So we were losing soldiers to IEDs. The Humvees were not resistant enough. Secretary of the Army goes down to Aberdeen and says, you've got to solve this problem. Within a year and a half, we're not losing any more soldiers. One of the things they did is they had a four o'clock conference call every Friday afternoon with the commanders.

§8.p13

So the scientists — most of these laboratories, if they're given a strong mission, they can produce. But then just after they've solved that problem, they just continue to exist, and then they're just a trashcan where we throw money in and burn. They don't have a mission. I used to see that at Watertown Arsenal. I think the Secretary of the Army came in and said, "you guys solve this problem." They have resources — the Army has most of the resources in the budget. They knew what their problem was, and they had assault. They sent these things off through all kinds of different methods. They didn't use just one technique, but they got the feedback and put some things very quickly into the field — trial, get feedback on whether they work or not, what was wrong with them, from the captains and lieutenants who are out there searching for the devices.

§8.p14

Student: [inaudible — about RPG vehicles getting punctured]

§8.p15

MRAP vehicles or equivalent Humvees — they were getting punctured as well. EFP — explosively formed penetrator — copper, performing very low — okay, go ahead.

§8.p16

Student: I was wondering if anyone had solved that problem.

§8.p17

Yes, they did. In fact, that's where the glass came in. In this rush program, the Secretary of the Army told Aberdeen, "solve this problem." They tried titanium, steel, aluminum, glass — five or six things. I was on a review panel and they were telling us the story about how they did all this. There were 40 or 50 people around, half of them Army, half of them — we did the panel for the National Academies, I was on that. This woman explained how she first did a screening test: let's take some of these RPGs and fire them at these layers of armor and see what works, and what we're going to put on the bottom of our MRAPs. What worked best was glass. You don't usually think a parental material is going to be your best thing. The reason I can tell you this is — any Army soldier out there running around in an MRAP can see it's fading glass. But why it works is classified. It does work — it defeats things even better. Why don't we go ahead and take a little break, I'll go get one of those.

Cases referenced

Layer 2 — cleanup edit
p1 00:02

You guys are supposed to, according to, you see, you're supposed to take a welding course. If you actually look at what the FC [Course Catalog] puts in there, it's welding metallurgy. And it's sort of, because, like I sort of told you a couple times, if the only tool you have is a hammer, you see everything as a nail. And the people at TAC [the welding committee], a lot of them historically, the welding people, many of them came out of Lehigh or Rensselaer Polytechnic or two other things, mid-western schools, Ohio. John Appel provoked them at Lehigh, and a couple of us in welding metallurgy. What we've been using a little bit came out of our beyond these subjects.

p2 00:48

And so when people from TAC sit down and we have one problem facing thinking, solve all problems with cover, okay. But you can — somebody hopefully you understand it's designs, you remember, energy, the process info, heat, by hydropower chemistry's in [...] Well, chemistry control is that work, okay. But I decided in the first year I was a faculty member that I wasn't going to compete with all those high-power welding metallurgists out there, and I was going to go and work on welding physics and chemistry and processes. And I felt my own courses, which were solid state diffusion, and for a number of years that was with you guys, that you guys knew the Navy officers' videos thought, instead of dwelling metallurgy. And then I sort of appended on a little bit, well, Professor Massa, who had been teaching welding, the heading, that served ocean engineering, and he helped build submarines in Japan during World War Two. His expertise, building real ships, and any case.

p3 02:01

So it sort of evolved. If you guys are supposed to know, they want to — the last couple summers you'll see Summer 2013, Summer 2014, and if you went back further and solid-state welding book, there's some others, you know, archived Boulder courses, you'll find that I taught solid-state welding 2012 summer. But in any case, it's sort of that agreed that that's what you guys would take. Now, I say, shattered, overrule. We can sit down and say — what, you guys have the same choice. Day dream pass — he's a free agent, he can do whatever he wants, okay. You paid his tuition because of some other sources. So you might be interested in the journalists and selection, or codes and standards.

p4 02:55

In fact, I think it would be better, you know, there's ten of you or whatever, to kind of pick five different things, take two of them or something, you know, to open, take those, and then you can get together and talk about, well, he told the same story here, correlation stories, whatever, okay. There are actually leverage I guess that even, but anyway, I don't think you have to, you know, the same type of things. Hope they have to have sections that's where they're going to be deficient — well, they only get 60 on the exam, so then it's important to sound of it. Anyway, right, and none of this is going to turn you into a frozen [corrosion?] expert or welding expert. You're going to be managers some day. We need to know enough to be dangerous, okay, and ask the people who are responsible for it some tough questions. We've been through that before. I asked that particular career, okay, now you get a dump it on.

p5 04:02

So I don't care which ones you take, okay. But you are supposed to take two more modules. There are the YouTube videos from this list, and I would encourage you, even though you're getting all excited about your math courses now because they have quizzes and other things issue excited, I would encourage you to — yeah, you can take tomorrow off or something, but you could even take next week off, but after the fourth, start watching these things. Don't put it all the way up to August, okay. Don't procrastinate. All you have to do is watch it. You know, one student saw me, he was a school — we used to watch it, my wife is fixing dinner, this is hard, you put it on for like the evening news. No, so that's not going to be good. Okay, so that's that.

p6 04:53

And seriously, I keep on telling you, you're supposed to take this and to, but I don't care what you think, okay. You can tell I don't care what you think. And I think this is — that's a story too. When Apple computers first came out, you had the ability to change the little buzzer or click that you hear when you hit the wrong key or something. You could record some message, so it says something else. So one of my graduate students — when I came in, I'd get in early — so I have you go down to the students' office, getting a little, she told me how to do it, and I recorded "who cares?" as one of the alerts. Because that was what I always told my graduate students. You know, they told me about something, said, well good parents don't leave it. The point is, they were all worried about them, okay. So which course you take, picks now, people use the term, whatever, okay.

p7 05:51

So one of the things you should know about aluminum to finish up some aluminum is, aluminum, just like steel and most metals in the molten state, will dissolve lots of hydrogen. But it doesn't do the same thing of hydrogen embrittlement that doesn't [happen with] steel some, because it's face-centered cubic. Face-centered cubic metals can store lots of hydrogen. But in the liquid state, you've got ten times — I saw you go get some logs down — so you've got ten times the solubility limit as you open them. And the solid, when it solidifies at 1220 degrees Fahrenheit, what happens is, more moisture in the air that you have, more pressure, the hydrogen, comes out as bubbles on solidification.

p8 06:43

And I guess I should have brought in — there's an ASTM standard for aluminum castings or other and aluminum welds, and they basically have reference radiographs. They'll have eight different radiographs with anything. This is like three, until you almost — there's 104 over here, and you could maybe save you guys some — these are x-rays of welds. You got more here, you've got a bunch here. This would be an eight, this would be a one, this might be a three in terms of the scale severity, and that's how you do it, is do a visual comparison. So I would suffer between a four and a five. Usually for high-quality aircraft-quality aluminum castings or high-quality welding, they — it must be class 2 or less. So it's that new class one or two. You never have aluminum castings that don't have a little bit of porosity, okay.

p9 07:42

In fact, you don't have titanium welds that don't have a little bit of porosity. Some of these things can be ten thousandths of an inch, and that's the Boeing story I'm going to tell you about — you might as well tell you now. The Boeing, when they were coming out with the 747-400, this is an extended-range — get the weight off, increase the fuel capacity, and quiet — an extra a thousand miles, because at that point they're by eight or nine thousand miles, and you'd like to have 11,500, which is the mileage on a great circle from the two largest cities, the greatest distance on a great circle for major cities of the world. It's kind of like going from New York to Sydney, Australia, or something. There's only a couple of routes. You don't have to be 12,500 — there's no half great circle, okay. With the point including six, it's always something a little bit less. What you'd like to be able to supply that distance, and of course you have a little to the safety back door in case you get weather or something. So you pump the second additional Pacific, at least when they were caught us right coming back with the westerns.

p10 08:54

But in any case, so they were trying to lightweight it. I mean, tell the story before — there's ozone up there, and you breathe ozone, you get a headache. Mach 2, oh, so it's also considered a carcinogen. So they have catalytic converters for the air coming into the cabin, to get rid of the ozone you're breathing. And they use stainless steel venting — you know, ductwork likely will be cylindrical network. But they were switching to titanium via increase in price. But same way with building at my fuel. And I just got back from a trip to Japan, and they called up out of Engelhard in New Jersey, and the contract, and it was about to hold up the whole plane. This is getting to be the critical path for rolling out the 747-400. And Engelhard was going to be the supplier from kept it going on at first scheduled flight to sort of giving you now report on.

p11 10:06

And so I didn't have time, engine gone for two weeks, and I have us all, what when you're 18, and what was, is that has porosity or something because of hydrogen. The same things, okay. And I said, look, all you have to do is clean it really well, and don't use acetone. Will leave a little bit — most first-grade acetone is, vessel oil-tone — you need to use reagent grade. I said, get some reagent grade. Ask them — I got the exact same story up here at General Electric Lynn, and they're welding seventy-thousand-dollar titanium compressor parts, electron beam welding, and I totally got the same story twice, just several years apart. Mentioned, get some acetone, get some reagent grade acetone, clean it right before you're welding, and weld it and you will be fine.

p12 11:03

Well though he tries to do it, they could not, going make a place where trying to do it. The spec for Boeing had was, they could not tolerate any porosity, a single pore greater than ten thousandths of an inch. What if I have a four? First of all, a four [pore] is not going to cause the thing to fail. You do the fracture mechanics on it. What caused it to fail? It's not going to cause a brittle fracture, it's not going to cause it. This thing doesn't have any stress on it, okay. It's just ductwork. So we've got 14 PSI on this — young can't be less than half, can't be one. Mr. Right, much more anyway. So they couldn't do it.

p13 11:45

So they call me back and said, oh, I'm going to be down in New Jersey for something else, instead of, as soon as I finish, if you guys will stay like that day, I'll come by. So I came by, six o'clock, we're back home, and I, they walk me through it, and I said, and I showed him how to clean it, okay, and I left. And it turns out they had successful welds. Next, their next four welds were defect-free. They were all delighted and everything, called me up and said, fine, okay. Then they call me up on my players always, "I think we're back to our same failure rate." And I said, guys, well, did you follow the cleaning procedures that I showed you before? Because they already fallen off the map. I don't [know what] procedures. Right? They could keep cleaning like dinner, and they finally got it out.

p14 12:33

Exact same thing up is here on great big $75 [thousand] compressor parts. It was an old engine — I was told I would research for General Electric at the time, and the guys, "welcome, Tom, can you help us out?" said sure. I said, I told, well, get some reagent grade acetone, because if you leave a little oil cove on there, yes, where hydrogen comes from, okay, the oil film. Well, he said, oh, by the way, we don't, this is old engine, we don't have any development money, so can you do it for free? Okay, contractor's awesome. So I go up there and spend a half a morning. And I don't know, maybe it was another, open an engine, there were 17 managers and engineers from General Electric watching me do the inspection, as the technician cleans the surfaces to prep it for putting in the electron beam chamber though, chamber to be melt.

p15 13:31

And I get down, and I, after he cleans it, and I noticed he wasn't using reagent grade acetone, I didn't hold any. He's looking at apt. I get down and I get a little 10x magnifier, and I'm looking at it, and I go back the area just looked at, and I noticed the white specks that weren't there 60 seconds before. And I said, guys, this room is raining dust, white dust on here. In a former start, pushing — these I wow, he would have already done this if you hadn't been in a way, you know. He would have had to put together into the chamber, okay. And at that point, all the engineers, the managers, figure I was just a buffoon and they quit paying attention to me. I went over the heddle [head?], glass slide on a bench, I cleaned it with my neck shift as well as I thought. I took some of the acetone that they had in an old squeeze bottle, I squirted it on there, pulled it off, evaporated it, held it up, and you can see the rings of color from the world owes those stories — you've no longer than that. But any case, at the end of the morning, I left that leak in the back, watch the world see inside the chamber.

p16 14:39

Anyway, so I said, wow, I told you six weeks ago, get some reagent grade acetone. He got some reagent grade acetone, the next three of these parts they welded, no four-course, no problem. And a lot of, calls me up and tells me, by using reagent grade acetone, which I told him for free six weeks before, that he saw, problem and all he got was a letter of commendation. I said, well, wow, I didn't even get a letter. How does doing this for free? Anyway, you get porosity from hydrogen in titanium. Story about Boeing inspector, reason to have spec from those that tight, and then over-specify the system, okay. But there are some specs if you have to beat, okay.

p17 15:30

In fact — why, fifth and going out, Caterpillar Pressures — and I got a student at Caterpillar, and he's been told to come up with a new physical inspection technique to inspect Phil as welds. You know, everybody's already taken all of the electromagnetic spectrum and the mechanical wave frequency spectrum to do — whether it's ultra-science or whatever — to do inspection of welds. But he's supposed to buy some new spectrum from some new physical thing. And they just emailed me this week — he says he went out to operations and talked to this manager, and she said she didn't really want a new inspection technique, because it would be a new specification that she would have to be. Okay. That happened to me 30 years ago at Electric Boat. I had a better way to inspect welds, and they threw me out of shipyard, practically, because the last thing they wanted was a new criteria they had to meet. Thanks. So that's how do you talk.

p18 16:30

Okay, so far as porosity and how bad it is in aluminum, it really is not that big a deal. So here's post-tensile strength versus amount of porosity. If you have incentive [tensile?] for free, well, anyway, in theory, very low — this is 7039, this is for the aerospace five-straight hours. You lose some strength pretty much linearly proportional to crossing at, up to thirty percent. The elongation goes down because each one of these pores is a fracture site and changes the way fractures a little bit. But in fact, you can tolerate 5% porosity. It's not a big deal then the noise. It's all the same strength.

p19 17:19

Student: Porosity — was getting plain about the kind of summation with all the bubbles, or if you have one bar variant fractionally volume fraction across as they knew how being the largest one?

[17:31] Yes — oh, they're all going to be small, because they form on solidification. So they're going to be similar. Well, you saw a variation in my, very by factor three or five sizes. And some of that is back, those are projections. So they might vary by factor of three to five, but they're all sub-millimeter size, okay. So in terms of number eight, the — yeah, if you, it's not porosity to state the niche that is annoying, okay. It's caused by something else, okay. But in general, porosity is not that big, okay.

p20 18:04

So titanium — there are I can, is interest in part because it has excellent corrosion resistance, it's lightweight. In fact, it's immensely expensive to fabricate, nothing to do with anything in the aerospace business. Aluminum has no phase transformation like steel goes from high temperatures face-centered cubic, body-centered cubic. You can heat-treat it. You can get high strength in both aluminum and steel by precipitation hardening. Titanium does have the advantage that steel has, because you do have a body-centered cubic, high-temperature phase, titanium — you know, example, close-packed lower face, alpha and beta. And sometimes you add an alloying element such as aluminum, oxygen, nitrogen, or carbon, and you raise the alpha stability as you add to them. And if you add the Navy [vanadium], molybdenum, niobium, [tantalum], you decrease this. So these are called beta stabilizers, called alpha stabilizers. And in fact, most of the time you want to sort of make it neutral, so you throw a little aluminum 4 vanadium, the workhorse alloy for titanium. Just like 304 [is the workhorse] for stainless steel, and 6061 for aluminum, the workhorse alloy for titanium is titanium 6 aluminum 4 vanadium.

p21 19:40

If any of you have been to the Watertown Mall, which used to be the US Army's Watertown Arsenal, back in the days of the Civil War, and even until about 15 years ago, the BRAC closing, the army had a reasonable amount of full size of extra, but it was a research reactor in size in this building, okay. And when they were in the first BRAC closing movie ever in Maryland, they said, no, you can't close us, it will cost 50 million dollars to shut down the reactor, and to decontaminate the area. And the DoD said, so what? They closed them, but now they turned it into a mall. In fact, they better, half a mile away — but it goes for about a mile along the river. But that's where Ti-6Al-4V was developed, at Watertown Arsenal. So indeed, just after World War Two, no harm. You had all our queues, all the wreck was taken away, by mobile docs as well as a cloud, really probably did, I'm not sure this one had ever worked in my lifetime. I wasn't going to do that.

p22 20:53

Recently, swingers — I used to help them solve failure analyses over there, because they remembers of them like yesterday — I would stop by the way home, some rocket motor case or something to fail, help their failure analyst look at things. And I remember walking through the reactor areas, and so, it wasn't operating, okay. I mean, I would have been walking through there. And I remember when they were starting to clean it up, they had grid lines, one meter grid lines don't take everywhere, because they had family square meter by square here. Pretty excited, but, and I thought I've been walking, for if you look at the composition of the metallurgy of titanium alloys, they kind of fall in three groups for three different industries.

p23 21:54

Well concerns over. The first group is terrific pure, unalloyed titanium. Some of the grades have a little bit of palladium in them, which is a precious metal like gold-priced, of all the only a quarter percent of max, but these have excellent corrosion resistance in certain types of acids or whatever, in some chemical plants. Just a little bit of palladium significantly improves things. But basically, you've got all these different grades which change their oxygen content. There's oxygen — you get a higher strength.

p24 22:43

So here's another plot of the unalloyed grades, and hopefully, okay, here's the yield strength in ksi, our path, I, 25, 40, 55, 70. It's increasing directly with the oxygen content, just like carbon part of the steel. Oxygen hardens titanium, okay. So oxygen is an alloying element, particularly for the commercially pure grades, which are usually used as sheet build, or tubes or heat exchangers and things like that. Or who was talking about schedule 10 titanium piping you were? Okay, it's pretty thin stuff, right? And it's thin because you're trying to save money to take any. What you cost you, an alloy might be thirty dollars a pound — these down here, the amount of dollars a pound after you roll them into plate and everything else.

p25 23:37

If you get down to the alpha-near-alpha alloys, this is — we're dedicating 6-0-4 [Ti-6Al-4V] money to them, should be in there somewhere — it has got 120 ksi tensile. The Navy's alloy has — this Ti is Ti-100, just like HY-100 or HY-80 or HY-130. The Navy's alloy is, and all the Navy uses, our means, where they developed, our Ti-6Al-2Nb-1Ta — six [aluminum], one tantalum — for them. So rather than the [vanadium], they use these combination of these. And it's about 100 ksi strength. It is called Ti-100 in jargon parlance. It's less strength than the 6-4 that just sort of aerospace alloys.

p26 24:43

So these are heavy forgings and plates and stuff. The Sea Cliff was built out of Ti-100, because they were said they prototype larger things first. They start making little laboratory specimens, little well specimen the size of a notebook. They test those four properties, and then they'll do a prototype development. Might be 6-4 funds from the Navy, and the Sea Cliff was such a project. They had built the Alvin, the original Alvin submarine, which is often a research-built or just doing scientific studies and other type things, was made with a steel hull, a high-strength steel, my of HY-80 or HY-130, because it was back in the 60s. By the early 70s, maybe, it switched technique from Calvin home, the 6-4. And the Alvin they just got rid of and built a new Alvin, that was the same titanium hull from the early 70s — up the classroom for about 40 years. And the new hull is also titanium.

p27 25:54

But in about 1980 or so, they don't the Sea Cliff, which was a little bit larger. Now you can actually stand up in it, okay. So these things are about, think, that was about a 7-foot sphere, and the Sea Cliff was an 8-foot diameter. It's the same thing as now in our one, I think. There's a little mini, so I'm pretty sure it's slightly different. They've had these — the floods a little sauce, okay, for research purposes. If I gray / lab had one a few years ago, they had to build two of them, and these are actually hot-dog-shaped subs, not spheres. And they were going to make them out of titanium as quarter-inch, that they're going to be like four feet diameter. They're autonomous vehicles today.

p28 26:40

And they came to me, because I've done welding up, they came in Draper-like, hired me, and as I remember, they told me — for DoD rates or their contract — that you don't pay me fifty dollars an hour. They were on a rapid prototyping schedule. This was the mid-90s, early 90s. After the first Gulf War was a big thing, was rapid prototyping, this big thing, because they had certain equipment they need adult to fight, and arrive for the first war. And one of the reasons they waited for six months one day, it was because they were trying to get these new systems for desert fighting operational. And so they had a big program in DARPA and other places. So rapid prototype, that they were rapid prototype 2 autonomous, 4-foot diameter, I think they're 50 feet long and something. So I was not to know anything about the mission, but it was public knowledge they were building these subs and very private contractors. Turns out it's only [...] which makes different cylinders just like any like a figure sub. And if someone do less quarter-inch, they probably figure out how deep it would go. But I never had any an idea what the mission was.

p29 27:55

But we ended up building them in aerospace. And so we went down Pratt & Whitney, places like that, where they're building titanium parts that are for big diameter for jet engines, okay. So they basically used aerospace fabrication facilities to make the titanium for those type of prototypes. The Sea Cliff, one of the things they wanted to do, was they wanted to weld heavy section, fest a Sea Clipper, around two inches — might been two and a quarter inches long. And it was supposed to go to the 6,000 meters or even deeper. No, that's a fair part of the ocean, okay. And they tried — they were building at Mare Island, and they were trying to use a spell our club [gas metal arc club], which is what the David Taylor Annapolis growth group have been working on for years, was gas-killer cloud or defeat in a wiry, that are not yielding. And they could do it, and they finally gave up and went back to what we call hot wire to write [hot wire TIG] as you thought, TIG welders, electrodes and Pete Waterman. That's how they building.

p30 29:05

The difference is, hot wire TIG is two pounds an hour deposition rate, really slow. Gas metal arc within 10 pounds an hour, five times the productivity. But they couldn't do it, okay. And I'll tell you this, some more stories about that, sex how you will any section thinking by the way, there are various classes of alloys.

p31 29:30

One of the problems in titanium business is, it's not a big enough industry to sustain its own skill is on rolling and melting Patties. So basically, they borrow time, then rent time to skim no one day in a steel mill to go over titanium they need for a month, okay. They can't afford a half a billion dollar rolling mill in the end of the street I came in. So they have to go rolling in a dirty little steel mill, which creates its own problems. But they worked with, don't have a choice, okay. But we never had a big titanium industry. The Soviets did. And the Soviets built, as you know, the Alpha subs.

p32 30:24

And I think it was — I can't remember, first time I ever went abroad, was 1979. I remember I first read about the Alpha subs on the front page of the International Herald Tribune flying back from Europe, okay. That was either '79 or '80. And so I rest on it. My first research contract in MIT, for almost 13 months to the day after it started as an assistant professor, was to do submerged arc welding of titanium, okay, for the Navy research. And these are some of those welds we made, acting the late 70s, of submerged arc welding titanium one pass. I'm passing around — this is not too bad-looking, it has lousy contact angle, instead of 90 degree angle, that distant kind of blend in. This is another one with different fluxes, was all rubble.

p33 31:21

It turns out the Soviets had been publishing work, a guy [named] Gurevich. Here's Gurevich's book. Moving people to read — and others — really alphabet, I can read Russian or Ukrainian. Whichever one he was at — the Paton Welding Institute in the Soviet Union, the Ukrainian capital. And turns out here in 1980, April 1980, the US Air Force translated for that book, which is Metallurgy and Technology of Welding Titanium, became my coffee. Has a nice little letter on the inside from Boris Movchan, who was one of the top five scientists, interested all right, but evening, we're glad to send you the book of Metallurgy of Welding Titanium. In that, again, the escort, Dr. Visit to your librarian on my API metalbar. I still get Christmas — actually Christmas cards — from Movchan, a number of options, but he's, they're nice people, okay.

p34 32:31

And I could tell you stories about — when this was Jimmy Carter, President Carter had an exchange program with the Soviets in the sentence. And we had signs, so besides coming to MIT and RPI and other places, the guy who ended his whole program up with a professor in this department, Nick Grant, he had it fitted it up for the National Science Foundation for the whole country. And the first time, 30 American scientists went over to the Paton Institute. The next time they had an exchange, I think eight went. And the next time, two. When this was the 1980, and President Reagan was trying to shut this down, Carter was outraged moves in, and Reagan didn't see any back value cooperating with the Soviets. And I was one of those two people. I was still the untenured professor, but Julius Szekely, who has now passed away, was in this department. He still had an NSF contract. He knows who this satisfies an NSF contractors was part of the State Department thing. And he wanted someone to go with him.

p35 33:40

And I can give a lecture about being followed constantly by the KGB. Damn about my 40 people followed to us, anyway. But I got to talk to Gurevich, who'd been publishing all this stuff in the 1960s. In about 1972, all of a sudden, he quit publishing. That was when they decided to build the Alpha submarine. And all the work would be done — turns to do, I estimate if it could in us in 1972, in whatever dollars, the work he did from the '60s to the early '70s, was probably a hundred million dollars for the research on welding titanium, more than we ever spent on a fly, cause it's hard well. But he did it.

p36 34:31

And we had determined that we should be using submerged arc quotes, where's arc welding is used for steel all the time. Big line pipe like the Alaskan pipeline was done by submerged arc, lunch people, seniors done by submerged arc. And you have two plates, they made an inch thick, 42 inches thick or whatever, and you essentially feed in granular flux, looks sort of like sand. And you have a wire feeds in, it's submerged underneath the flux of sand. You can have an arc right there and you'll be standing next to it, no shielding or anything, because it's all on your own well, you understand, okay. But it's a very special sand, it's like the — it's formulated for steel, like the coatings on these electrodes but ingrained reform. This process was developed in the United States about 1936. And there's a letter from Churchill to FDR, to Churchill at the beginning of World War Two — this was, they talk about a welding process, which you was the Union Carbide Unionville process that had been developed in 1936. And this was one of the ways we're building ships.

p37 35:43

It was a tremendous advantage, as you can lay down 30 pounds an hour, not two or four pounds an hour, but 30 [pounds an hour], 30,000 hours product, very seductive. Only works in horizontal position in great big welds, okay. So we figured this would be a way he built a heavy section titanium submarine or delayed. So if that was my first research contract, to develop the fluxes. And if you go through the Gurevich book, half this book is that, how to make the fluxes. I haven't taken care of — I ended up using optical quality calcium chloride crystals that I was buying for a hundred dollars a pound, and crushing their single prisms. I was crushing them up into a sand, and welding underneath. And with that I could look at these pieces sit around. This is sampled under 1328 books, corner of the camps, 8 to 12 mesh, which is the optical-grade calcium chloride. It had 0.14 [%] oxygen, 0.015 [%] nitrogen, which is very good chemistry, almost better than basically, okay.

p38 36:52

And in fact, if you use optical quality calcium chloride, you can actually refine the oxygen out of the weld pool. My first student ever, John Galata, who ended up an engineer at Electric Boat, that was his bachelor's thesis. Who made those welds, okay? Turns out we very quickly learned that you couldn't afford this loss. It's going to cost you about $300 a foot of well, just for the flux. That didn't sound very good, okay.

p39 37:25

And then, about the same time, we started learning Soviets adults now the sub. So they had funded conferences, they weren't classified, but they couldn't get the clearances through quick enough. But we went down to a half-day Taylor Annapolis with head conferences however you have a match. The Soviets Congress was not happy this is sort of the making okay. The Soviets got to set a dog in space before we ever got any living creature other than maybe a few roaches. And that created a big awareness and increasing the research and stuff. Well, this is Tyrus was unhappy that they had the Soviets that bleep progress and submarine technology. So we are having conferences and their rights here.

p40 38:14

And I was at one of these conferences, David Taylor, listening to other people's presentations and stuff, and as thinking back about papers, background on Gurevich, and all of a sudden, I think about the second day of three-day conferences, that's how they had to have done it, okay. This is Bryce, well, in '79, Gurevich published a lot of work on electroslag. This process is a welding process that had been perfected back in World War Two for steel by at the Paton Institute, by Paton's father, Boris Paton's father, his father was a hero of the Soviet Union at the University, sort of shaped that will rest up. You've seen his pictures because he used to weld the Soviet tanks back together, get them back to the Russian front by the Germans. And he had created a lot of his welding technology, are successfully welding the armor steels in World War Two of [...] have enough thanks to keep the germs of a anyway.

p41 39:19

You basically have to water-cool copper dams. You that two vertical place, so ever think about Closet Point, and how they weld these things vertically, quants the point by gas metal arc / steel maybe that's not — that's okay, that's all you can see. Reports by general manager about some things that upon the point, you basically put thick plates inconvenient from one to six inches thick. You basically feed a wire in, and you just put some flux in the bottom. So now you're using half a pound of flux, where you might use 10 pounds of, what said, submerged arc. Why can't afford 30, 15 or 30 dollars of flux and I can make a weld is 20 feet tall on the same batch of flux, in principle.

p42 40:08

I didn't have Gurevich's book at the time, but I realized this would be a very efficient process. And they certainly spent lots of time and money on voices, and this was the flux-shielded process, we never even thought about, in terms of, because electroslag on steel sort of allows me process. Turns out it's a great process of titanium. I handed this out in first day, this is a titanium electroslag welding, 2-inch thick plate. There's the weld between, their two-inch thick well, no distortion. It only be made the vertical direction. This was made aware he graduates enter — the first titanium electroslag welds made in free world was making the room right next door. It was terrible, no fusions, but we made it. We came, I came back to that whole conference, and my student make a well wasn't much go well, but I prove it. Boy, you can really lay down titanium metal in these for Alexis very quickly.

p43 41:08

At that point, the Navy questions, so I can't work on it anymore. And they sending out their work and graduate center with ya, what's a box of books used to the juvie love it. So the holidays luck smells, shields at bottom for you well — if you got, this is the side walls — if you've got a molten that is something dumped at sea, liquid, you got a wire coming, and you actually have a bathroom plus, floats on top, okay. So not a narc well, you're resistantly eating through the resistor flux. The flux has a certain electrical resistance, are you a medal? The wires for feeding him, developing a wired cough Fenian wire builds itself through, yeah, through, system people come on, so you just a few making a little passing the fog was it melts so efficiently that we basically doing it in fusion to the side walls. At the end, you could take a hammer, hit it. This is one interesting plate, you're gonna knock apart, because we were just hiking confusing the sidewall something.

p44 42:22

But it turns out we learned that was one of the ways that wanted. So I shouldn't tell you too much about how I know, but I've only had to use a security clearance price. But they did get some foreign technology. I went down to David Taylor under later, and I hope I didn't know you could get something that they now okay. I mean, someone basically robbed the scrapyard, shipyard, okay, kid. Okay, I mean, this is 30 years ago, 35 years ago, so I don't mind telling you that much, okay. But they had the technology, okay. They are, they deborah welds, and I came down to Salem and stuff, and a lot of them are electroslag welds, okay.

p45 43:12

Then they had some other welds made by a process that Gurevich should also published on, back in the early '70s, called, which we Ned called deep dig — requested inert gas and heating, is what the Rev is called, whether this translated in English was always called semi-submerged arc well. It wasn't really submerged arc, like the one I showed you, which is one of the things that confuse the Soviet papers, never give you all the details page papers. And but semi-submerged arc, the Rev had found, that if you just click a little painted layer, half a millimeter thick, on the top surface of a piece of titanium to make it well, and you use a duck huntin torch [gas tungsten arc torch], okay, you can get, with the flux, you can get a deep well. Whereas, if you have no flux there, and get a very shallow example, that this was made in our lab with flux shielding on this one, let's see workers up, this is 30-year-old technology, passed around.

p46 44:45

Okay, so puppies, are now this weld on this side was made with TIG that had a flux on the surface, and it God, and I, it's hard as I came to see it, so I kind of died within. That's the fusion line. This weld was made the TIG, with no fuss, and got a big affected zone for the only pad. It's exact same welding parameters, same current, volts, and sprouts week, okay. What happens? There was a lot of research done on this for stainless steels in the early '70s. You have a change in your connection patterns, well cool. So regular TIG will have a love pool that's very shallow in the weld, circulation pattern looks like that, okay. Hot metal comes up, and then the hottest metal underneath the arc gets carried off to the side, and Whitey's the well cool. We don't get a lot of markdown.

p47 45:43

When you put the fuss there, you get course all very gonna blow after an County businesses government 18th century, but a service station driven flow. You change the surface tension of the metal, and all of a sudden the connection takes the hot stuff writer to the arc, pushes it down to the bottom, you get an hour deeper well. This became a big area of research. A guy in the National [...], written, Ken Mills, published a 12-page paper saying he thought this was why these things — not in titanium but in stainless steels — we're changing the shape of the particular pools. And people started doing — people actually they're doing research on this, and there are 70s, less about them feel. And I was sort of interested in it, but I hadn't applied it to titanium until after the Alpha sub stuff, when we're trying to figure out how they built that.

p48 46:51

But there was getting to be lots of research in this. Professor Szekely and I, 1983, wrote a paper where we did some computer modeling of the connection close and well pools, and we won an award for our paper. We are the first people going to model that. The next 15 years, everybody in the world who had a computer and didn't know how to do an experiment but could run a finite element program, they were doing bigger and better at finite elements of convection well goals than improve anything we didn't prove, okay. And Ken Mills's to die the first hypothesis. We just kind of did the calculations show it. But in fact, this is what happens, when you put a very thin just paint on a little story, of what's only twenty-thousandths-of-an-inch thick, so it's kind of like welding through paint, and you get a very deep penetration.

p49 47:36

So turns out, and then Ohio State University, which became one of the big welding schools — they had a welding department building, named University is literally own Louisiana Texas — that most people not heard of it has a welding program, four-year welding program, welding engineering program. But Ohio State started doing a lot of stuff on this. I decided to take, skin too popular, I don't like to welcome work from popular things. There's a lot of smart competition out there. So I would walk away from things like that, okay. Now, you'll work on something else, when the result else working, a lot easier to make a big impression when there's no about fishing.

p50 48:22

So if you were trying to weld a piece of 2-inch-thick titanium in let's say the flat position, rather the vertical position, and you were so much shipyard, what you might do, okay, is do a joint prep like this, tattoo place, and put some little flecks in here, and use a tungsten electrode, six millimeters, a quarter-inch diameter, and use a thousand amperes, and not a great big deep pool like that, and then you flip it over if you wanted, you might well another one like this, and then you come along and you do spilling water for passes, and well to explain — but, if I, because it's so sugar, that's what I might do. He said the horizontals is the class position, this sort of likes the word card, except it's not summer darks not submerged beneath the plus, it's just blowing through the flux and changing the convention banner clunker, okay.

p51 49:31

And you did well, if I was a Soviet, no, I can try to design sub with verbal welds by submerged arc flat position welds, okay. I can for my sheet I still have to have a few other welds, but I have to build into play with gas tungsten arc, and the way you do something like that in some cases. This is my favorite picture of the road, here's guys inside of an argon-filled vacuum chamber, wearing the oxygen stations, to do welding of titanium components in girard ok, because you cannot tolerate air oxygen contamination.

p52 50:21

When typically where I worked heaven enable air rework facility in 1968 and Norfolk, Virginia, they would have a glove bag, and you put his hands in from the blood bank with the disks that he had to repair well, the titanium, and they use gas tungsten arc to repair, very slow. But hey, TIG welding of the Sea Cliff was how they did the whole evening stratosphere two inches thick, okay, because they didn't have them, the USA, he didn't have a better way good. They wanted to do it by gas metal arc, which is like submerged arc, with the wire going in, with the plus four plus costume.

p53 51:04

But I had a chance in 1980 — as one of the two people who went over, this Kelly, I went over, and I told him I, what we were going to go to Kiev dishonest, and I said I wanted to talk to Gurevich. And they were so eager to continue the exchange that Carter had set up — Reagan was now shutting down — they granted us anything we wanted. I spent two hours with Gurevich, with the translator, okay. He was not part of the system, he was just a scientist, and he'd been told quit publishing in 1972 because we're going to use the technology you've been working on for all these years, and we're going to build something, and so we never heard of him again outside the Soviet Union. What is — it is a wonderful man, okay. He told me anything I wanted to know.

p54 51:59

And I had done enough work on it for a few years, I knew he has told me the truth. Can I ask you, well, how do you do gas-no-heart [gas metal arc]? And I mean, translator in between, and I — at first I didn't up, and said, I can't, ask the question about three times. No use, okay. And they have done lots of work, I'm guessing this is what David Taylor Annapolis had focus all their research money on, was gas metal arc, okay, because it was the most productive thing for seal, if they won't until we have is a hammer, you see every pumpkins and they all right. And it turns out we never saw any evidence that they actually use gas market building, there something.

p55 52:40

And I had a couple students to the early '80s, I told you that Daenerys schools in your program eventually retired as Captain Pearl Harbor — if you're Dan was, though, he tucked his master's thesis. I'm guessing all are, welcome. I think some of the stuff he did, high-speed movies, and looking at the metal transfer, how little drop some metal melts often, so son state is, unstable processes that are over their methods that work. I mean, we ten years later, they had retired between I love them. Hydrogen cracking due to creep fatigue interaction cracking, not hydrogen cracking, but the fact that the metal — I can you know, if you put it under a constant compressive stress, and then cycling, okay, bill bro cracks the middle. So the metal itself, that's the basement what you find out well.

p56 53:38

The day where research laboratory have been working for years, and at this conference is three-day conference down there Annapolis, they can't watch me how they solved the fatigue interactions that I don't know. And then we found out a couple years later, they so these didn't know either, okay. They didn't, they may not have even known about this, okay, because we can do a better scientific job on the fundamentals in many cases, and NRL's the top-flight laboratory, meaning, it has three yellow lorry. I so hope concept with GPS was involved in NRL, okay. So this curious, you know, so at the shipyard, they'll have that Vyasa for male submarines like called steel and you know they have a drew on one side, he'll play these EVPs, when they flip it, they'll back out it down, and that whole like they go through such pains to make sure they're getting a good clean well.

p57 54:34

Serviced and is a same thing happened the pasta to describe here. They do anything bad company or as I, but they can't do with oxygen. They have to grind it. So they grind it out and then Liz and let me tell you that when you're doing monel in a submarine shipyard, they basically have to grind off the top layer because we get nickel oxide. That you can't go in there and you know error then grind it out. They have to run the top surface of every wealthy okay, every varies every be. So you're willing if you can make a lot of stuff, they're doing piping image that don't you B's, and if they're doing good TIG welding they don't have grind on piping, so they don't. If you're doing heavy section nickel-based alloys, submerged arc and things like that, brine off the top surface, then you don't have to grind by ten thousandths of that oxide layer on the surface, or otherwise it's melted and create illusions, dirty the well.

p58 55:33

So we've done the else's lots of details, you haven't learned some of it. You will learn when you take if you take the solid state and the fusion welding things, but those really get into the process business, why you use liquid positive, why do teens like there are negative of this process, how fast can you go with laser, as opposed to the Navy spent millions, not 100 million, trying to figure out to get use lasers for a high productivity on the ship. You may have some little lazy load cell, the size of this room buildings, and Viking components or something, in some places, you know. But you're not going to use them about the ways, okay.

p59 56:13

Student: [inaudible question about lasers]

[56:23] Well, yeah, of course. But then but basically, the laser, you have to corn off the whole area, you have to automate it, okay, because the laser goes so fast with this high power density that no human can control. You can't have a torch and that's laser on it, plus you have from the reflected light. And you have to, you know, if you go to General Motors with a, using laser, it'll be orange. Boeing, they might be using a laser, it'll be locked out area, okay. And then we interlocks, no one can go in the area while Galatians on the same thing. You seen the laboratories around here, flashing lights, laser on, no enter the room, okay. It's sort of like taking x-rays at the shipyard, you got to have 15 people standing watch to make sure some rat doesn't run in there and get a rainy oh, maybe he's not a bad maybe Zach employee, but nonetheless okay.

p60 57:16

Student: I have a question that — because you just want to segue out, go for it. So bear with me, have you seen movie I, Robot you? Okay, so there's a guy who, worker, he's working on a robotics facility, sidelines baby, but it goes in there to radiate these from metal frames. I've had these things and I just always wondered, you know, is, did it, do, that's just what they're hardening up, his radiation ever used to harden or something, or that completes?

[57:41] I classroom — well, radiation, a nuclear reactor hardens to steel vessel. You have to scrap it after 30 years because it's been embrittled. So yes, radiation will exchange the crystals, the crystal where the location of vacancies and interstitials and the atoms and crystal. But so far as hardening it, I don't know if something hardening it. We have used lasers, in fact, Ben Wilcox, back in the '60s, when he's working in Pratt, used high-powered pulse lasers — if you hit something hard enough you can actually blast it apart. You send stress waves of 300 ksi through the material, and you can stress-relieve, and we did some of that in the '90s, trying to use laser stress relief. You blast them, you do little pulses, and all you do is leave a little divot on the surface, which you can grind off, but you hit it so fast that you send a shockwave through the metal, and that shockwave is a mechanical stress lately, we have successfully to ensure okay. So you do things like that.

p61 58:45

Usually this order day at heart with photons, yeah, the power density at 10^8 watts per square centimeter. A laser, electron beam, never goes above 10^6 to 10^7. You go up to 10^8, 10^9, you're hitting the material with heat so fast that it can't melt, it just sublimes off the surface, if that breaks off the surface. But for every action there's an equal opposite reaction, and you start getting to 10^8, 10^9, and you can knock missiles off the course with the reaction of hitting with a pulse laser beam. Lasers in space, they're not going to melt the warhead, that's okay. They might blast a hole through it, which could mess up some of the control circuit, week, but one of the things they do is they're just going to knock it off course and give the shockwave, it just carries compartment.

p62 59:38

In fact, we didn't talk about this with armor — you know that the army can hit the — suppose a tank round is not, you know, the shells that you actually, you guys, shoes supposed to, okay, but it could be a 36-inch long, 340 Australian garage with depleted uranium, okay. I try to use constant presence has high density, but what penetrates is the kinetic energy. Penetrators, just like your rail guns, okay, but it actually so sharpens it, stiffness is penetrating, and you can go through as much steel as the length of the civil. So I've seen down at Aberdeen Proving Ground, 36 inches of steel penetrator, okay, 51 shot, okay.

p63 60:25

And I remember as a student, working over here at work on herself for the army, he told me the story, that in about 1984, '85, they perfected this above, so both, so that there was no armor that couldn't be penetrated with one of these suppose. And in fact, they lined up three old tanks on the battlefield, and they had an artillery general — I don't, "Come be," starters he had, and they shot right through all six layers, shot through the side of all six tanks lined up, okay. Apparently he tossed his cookies right there, as he saw this, because you know, he was just afraid sometimes a shoulder-mounted web RPG or something was going to be able to wipe out his tanks. Well, within two years, the full thing its lips, so there was no armor, or there's no munition that couldn't be defeated by the proper army.

p64 61:25

That's why they developed active armor. You guys know an active armor, raised use of course, I work opposed. Yeah, you basically have a surface of explosive on the outer part of your armor. So maybe your armor is two or three inches thick, whatever thick, it's got its little quarter-inch layer of explosive. And when the sub-zero [round] hits it, and it's going with four or five thousand feet per second, easily, it's going pretty fast, supersonic, great. It hits it, and the explosive goes off, and sends a shockwave through that 36-inch diameter penetrator, and that shockwave, in addition to the force that sorry on it, shatters it. It's already got stresses of a couple hundred thousand psi of it when it is, and you send another shockwave of a couple hundred thousand psi getting, shatters it, and they have high-speed movies, and you can see that they get oh, don't, breaks up with little pieces.

p65 62:34

Student: [inaudible — about speed of sound?]

[62:34] Yes, well, the P-sound is 5,000 meters per second, okay, you do the calculation or works out. But [...] I used to think that the army was sort of backwards in the technology compared to the Air Force and the Navy and stuff, but when I got on a couple of army science boards, and actually saw what they were doing, they don't advertise of a lot, when you get into the weapons area and armored area and penetrators, it's pretty — it really is some time to sort of, this really is sort of better the Star Wars, okay. Air Force has ideas, their clothes guys are watching too much Sci-Fi, okay, and I think that they can make time I work better, though stupido. The army actually comes up with practical things, type. One of the things they did, about how do you defeat active armor, go fashion suicide. No, you have a sub-zero with boo-boos, right, and you have a round, okay, Capote comes off, but you have two penetrators. The first penetrator goes in, yes, it shattered, the other one falls to the hole. There's no more like armor as.

p66 63:53

Right now one of the best armors is actually electromagnetic armor. Just hanging wires off the side, then thing comes in to see some magnetic fields, you can't remember exactly how it works enter, but I'll tell you the armor girls game wraps okay, the armor on the MRAPs, I can tell you what it's made out of. They have about six inches of, our six pieces at three-quarter inch glass. I can't tell you why it works, many of them can't tell you why it works, but they test this. Well, that's an interesting story.

p67 64:35

So the Secretary of the Army, we're losing all kinds of soldiers after we took over Iraq to the weapons of mass destruction. We went there to get weapons of mass destruction, as they couldn't find the IEDs, okay. So we lose the soldiers — IED, the Humvees were not resistant enough, and I want to take all time felt both right. But so Secretary of Army goes down to Aberdeen. He says, you've got to solve this problem, brewery is in people, and within a year, half, we're not losing any more soldiers who are out there. This lockers to the Heidi's, and one of the things I did is they had a four o'clock conference call every Friday afternoon with the commanders.

p68 65:23

So the scientists, we must most different laboratories, if they are given a strong mission, they can produce, okay. But then they just after they've solved that problem, they just continue to exist, and then they're just a there a trashcan, well we just throw money into it, burn, okay, because they don't have a mission. And I used to see that farming with it over here, Watertown Arsenal, with the way they're going. I think the Secretary of the Army came in to have any proof of crimes that you guys all this problem, and of course they have resources, primary had most of resources in the budget, but then they knew what did your problem was, that they have assault, and then your hand this often, through all kinds of different methods. They didn't use just one technique, but they got the feedback and then put some things perfect very quickly into the field, tribal, and they get feedback and whether they work or not, and how, what was wrong with them, from the captains and lieutenants we're out there, you know, out searching for the devices, the problem is having this.

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Student: [inaudible — about RPG vehicles getting punctured]

[66:39] Or PM vehicles or equivalent Humvees, they were getting a puncture as well.

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EFE copper, curveball, copper, vitamix old and performing very low campaign that was really popular, thank you, I objection, okay. Well, okay, go ahead. Student: I was wondering if anyone had solved that problem. [67:12] Yes, they did. In fact, that's where the glass — what happened is, in this rush program, the Secretary of Army gave Aberdeen, "Tell them, problem, solve!" They went out, they tried titanium, steel, aluminum, glass — they tried five or six things. So I was in a review panel and they were telling us the story about how they did all this. And you have like 40 or 50 people around, half of them army people, half of them earn — we do panel for the natural cavities, I was on that, and this woman got to explain how she first did a screening setting, let's just take some of these RPGs and fire them at this these layers of armor and see what works, and what are we going to put on the bottom of our MRAPs, which are figures among these. And what worked best was glass. You don't usually think the parental material is going to be your best thing. But if the reason I can tell you this glass does, any army soldier out there running around in an MRAP can see, the fact is, it's faded glass, okay. And by doing maintenance on it, can't classify that, okay, but why it works is classified, okay. But it does work, it defeats things even better. And while we go ahead and take a little break, I'll go get one of those.